Stories of the Paranormal

0:00 Hello, I'm Kim and I'm Laura. And today we're talking about stories of the paranormal. Yeah, we're going to, we're going to try not to scare anybody. It's funny how they were afraid of things we don't really quite understand. That's, that's my perception. I, cause lots of things have happened to me in my life, but never, I think I felt scared when I was a kid and had nightmares, but I think that was probably one of the only ways I was actually scared. Cause I always feel like I have control over how I think and feel. Yeah. Uh, the paranormal field for me, I mean, I love it. That's where I am. That's what I work in. If you, you know, we were preparing for the podcast and I'm like getting on my phone, I'm like, we're going to Google this, you know, just to make sure.

0:45 I know what I'm talking about. And then the first thing that comes up is says that mediums who claim to speak to spirits in the afterlife, that's included in the paranormal category. And I'm like, Oh, so I just am like whatever we talk about, it doesn't matter. Um, but today we really wanted to get into some kind of like ghostly stuff because it's Halloween and that's just fun. I mean, it's fun for me. Fun for me. If you don't think it fun, if you don't think it's fun, I mean, it's like, you know, if you were advised, I guess we are talking about ghosts today. It's funny cause I personally do not like horror stories. Like I don't like horror movies. I never have. I don't like them, but I absolutely have had multiple experiences with spirit, um, and the paranormal.

1:32 And it never scares me. It's, I guess it's how they take something that I really, truly love. Um, and sometimes make it in a way that I don't really love it. I don't like the way they deliver. So horror movies have violence, you know, and so you're not a fan of violence, but like a good old ghost story, like who doesn't love telling or hearing a ghost story, um, and we have lots of them for you today. And people ask all the time what I think ghosts are because lots of mediums have different ideas about what ghosts are, um, where they go. They're, you know, are they, is there soul stuff here? Did they need to cross over? And some mediums actually believe, you know, that, that doesn't really happen that souls are all souls are okay all the time.

2:23 And all that we're picking up on is like a residual energy. And I, I think we do have residual energy that can appear like a haunting or a paranormal experience. I think that happens when there's a trauma or the really bad thing happens or somebody dies in a very traumatic way. They can leave behind like an imprint or like an echo from the past, but that's not an intelligent haunting. And I have come in contact with some intelligent hauntings. So I can tell you as a medium that what I believe is that someone's conscious energy can be kind of in a place of understanding and awareness. And I call this like an, um, an awareness theory in a sense.

3:09 The theory is that wherever your awareness is, that's where you are. So if they have no awareness that they can cross over, if they have no awareness that they can go to a better place, then they don't go. But also maybe they're, they don't, they choose not to go. Maybe they choose to stay closer to their family, closer to the land that they have had or the, the hosts they've had tended to, um, we often see like houses that were built by somebody has a lot of their energy in the house. So sometimes they just feel very tied to that property and they don't have an awareness that there's anywhere else to go. So they're not missing anything. And sometimes, you know, spirits don't feel lost or anything like that.

3:55 They just don't, they legit do not know that they can go somewhere else. So my job, I come in, if there is like what we would call like an intelligent haunting, like an actual spirit that you can converse with, um, if they are stuck in a home or, or with a family or on a property, then my job would be to connect with them and show them another way. So it almost looks like you are saying to them, like, why haven't you moved forward? And then they'll give whatever reason why they haven't moved forward. And they'll also, you know, kind of be a little bit confused sometimes, a little perplexed. And I still remember, um, dealing with this, actually, it's kind of funny that when I first met Kim and she brought me to her wellness center and I didn't sleep.

4:48 I did not sleep very well that first night. And I told Kim, I got up in the morning and I said, there was a lady in my room and she was screaming at me, like screeching, like a really screechy voice. And she looked like a little witch and she had a hump on her nose and her like hair was all gray and crazy. And she looked like she had a Johnny shirt on from the hospital and it was open in the back and she was waving her arms around and her bum around and her bum. And I was like, who is this lady? And actually Kim, at first, I could tell she was like, ah, like, I'm not sure. But then like it came, it came to her. So this was your great grandmother, right? Which is actually the line that it's my dad's mother's mother.

5:33 And I actually met her in real life. And I remember my poor aunt saying, come on and meet your great grandmother. And I peeked around the corner and I looked at her and I pulled back real quick and I, ah, that's not my grandmother. She said, that's your great grandmother. Come on and meet her. I said, no, she's a witch, but it wasn't a good feeling. I didn't get a good feeling from her at all. And it's kind of funny because since my father's mother passed away, I've actually felt way closer to her because I've realized that's where my connection comes from. So I wondered like at the time because she wasn't easy to talk to. It wasn't like I could say, are you okay? Like, you know, but she was kind of walking, she was in my room getting my attention and then she was kind of like walking through walls as if she didn't know where she was.

6:21 Yeah. So what I did was I opened a pathway for her, like a sort of like saying like, you know, there's the door of light and my guides will help, you know, also make this visible for the spirit and kind of said like you can cross over. But I think some of what that was was that she had had not a great life and also at the end, maybe some trauma that she was trying to work through and she was super confused. I mean, I couldn't really even talk to her. So that was you kind of like, you make the impression, you show the light, you show the way. And she did cross over, but I can bet that most people didn't even know that she was still here.

7:08 It was just me picking up on her because yeah, because of what I do. Well, it's funny too, because just you telling the story because we were talking about this earlier how energy sometimes something will happen to you. And because I'm connected to I feel the energy of exactly what's coming even before you tell me what's going to happen, I pick up on it. Yeah. So you telling me about my great grandmother, I'm picking up on an energy in the moment that she probably was really excited to talk about us because what I knew of her was I didn't feel like she was a very nice person. But from the information I had as a child, but what I've learned since then is she didn't have an easy life. And I think she would have really loved to sit and talk with you and I, but some of the stuff she experienced, but didn't have the space or freedom to talk about.

7:57 Right. So that's kind of what I was just picking up on. So that's what I love. So it's probably like the, like I said, that was the first, I think the first time that I came to Kim's to do group readings. And so she was probably loving it. She was probably like, wow, these people get me. But then the energy of her life came forward first. And at the time I wasn't really, uh, I wasn't where I am now when I speak to spirit of all different vibrations. So at the time I didn't really understand like, why is this lady screeching at me? Um, but if you think about it, that's the first energy that came forward. Cause that's what she had to kind of release and let go of before she could feel better. Yeah. So that, that kind of stuff happens all the time, but I thought it would be kind of cool to talk about some of the things that, you know, kind of how spirit enters our like physical world.

8:54 Like, um, it's interesting that I was like talking to Kim before and we were like, oh, let's talk about what paranormal is. Well, paranormal experiences or phenomena are just things that you can't explain, you know, they don't have an explanation. You can't explain it with the science that we have now, scientific knowledge we have now. So we could really talk about anything, but I thought it would be really neat just to go through some things that like people really, um, relate to or they have like that's what they think like ghost story is. And I grew up on ghost stories. Like this was like, this was like the hidden part of my family that, you know, Sunday we go to church, but, but Friday night we talk about ghost stories, you know, it was kind of like that kind of thing.

9:43 So, um, you know, I think one of the funniest things to about churches is if you can see there are so many spirits and church, it's crazy. I know lots of different varieties. I know. And I, I actually experienced that a little bit because the church that I was going to is a little community church and the, I, it always felt a little full, like fuller than just physical people there. But when I had my first child and I tried to bring them to church and they were super sensitive, it was like, I was seeing it through their eyes and I could see all the spirit energy and my kid screamed and screamed and screamed. And this was not typical for, you know, for my oldest to do this. This was not something that they didn't cry very often.

10:29 They didn't make a fuss. They didn't have temper tantrums until we went to church. So my daughter was the same. Not that we went to church with my children. Um, but we did go for the rare occasion for somebody else that was being baptized or whatever. But, uh, she, she never liked it. She never liked the feeling she got in them. She felt that they were full of spirits, but she didn't also didn't like the energy of what was happening in, in the churches. Yeah. So my, um, I remember mom telling me when I got older, that when my great grandmother passed away, she heard the screech of the banshee. So for anybody that knows the banshee is who comes for you, comes for the Irish soul to take them to the other side.

11:16 But they, the banshee is like, um, you know, they talk about her in a female forum and that she, like there's a distinct screeching noise that she makes when she's taking your soul. Um, it sounds really scary, but what, what I take from it as a medium is that the sound that there is actually a physical sound when some souls cross over in a high dimensional kind of reality that only some people can hear. So it's like dog whistle, you know, we can't hear up at the dog can. And the idea was that this powerful Irish soul was crossing over and I didn't take it as a scary thing. I know some people do. I took it more like that is the transition.

12:02 That is just what's happening. And it's not, it's not a bad thing. Right. Um, and we had like growing up, we had all the stories about if you hear three knocks, you know, that somebody's going to die. Um, if a bird flies into your house or into your window and dies, somebody's going to die. If you see so many crows, it means this, you know, we had all those kind of premonition type things, but I remember my, my uncle, my uncle telling me that when he was a young boy, he was waiting for the school bus at the end of the road and living in a small fishing community that was established probably just before the 1800s or so, um, he was waiting for the school bus by himself and he looked up and this lady dressed in like, you know, old clothing, very, uh, very long dress and her head covered.

12:56 She appeared out of nowhere, just materialized and she appeared to be walking down steps that weren't there and she was holding a bundle all wrapped up that he felt like was stillborn baby. It was, you know, the shape of a baby, but not moving. And the lady looked very solemn and she, she didn't see him. She didn't recognize him at all, but she kept walking and she walked down the street towards the church. And he, he knew as a kid that that's sort of what used to happen when there were stillborn babies being born that the mom, the mother or the family had to take the baby to the church to be blessed before they could be buried. So he witnessed like something. Was it, was it a haunting? Probably not.

13:42 Was it an intelligent spirit? It might not have been, it could have been just what we said, like an echo from the past or like a residual energy. So lots of these things happen. But like, I know Kim, Kim had an experience. I don't understand this, but I know you had an experience cleansing a house. Do you want to talk with that? Trying to think of which one. Oh, yes, yes. Okay. So one of my clients said that there was something in the house and she didn't really know what, but it was, I'm making her feel uneasy and it was affecting her little girl. I think she had two kids. So the youngest. So I said, sure, I can come and do a house cleanse. So I go to do a house cleanse and I'm in the energy and I'm like, Oh, it's her nanny.

14:28 Yeah. So it was this beautiful thing, actually, that was happening, not a bad thing at all. But people are still scared, right? Of what they're scared of. Whatever they don't understand. So I'm telling the lady that owns a house. I'm saying, oh, well, I don't feel anything in your house. The only thing I feel is a grandmother energy. And I said, but I, you know, she's just watching over your your kids and your and her family. So I was a little bit surprised though, because she asked me to get rid of her. And I thought, oh my gosh, like inside of myself, the dialogue was, oh, I don't want to. No, that's your man. But I, but she said, no, I just don't, she said, listen, I just want you to get rid of the energy. And I said, even though it's your grandmother and she said, yes, please just just cleanse the house and get rid of any energy.

15:19 I don't care who it is here. I want them gone. I was like, OK, so I did. I cleansed and I get rid of the energy. And I said, I'm so sorry, but I have to do this because I felt really bad. Yeah. But it was immediate that the lady had messaged me the day after or two days later and said, you know, I just wanted to say that thank you for cleansing the house. I know it didn't seem like something that, you know, I should be doing. But she said, I did feel bad because she said afterwards my daughter said, oh, where did nanny go? Right. So here's something that I got confirmation after the fact that, you know, and I had to do it, but I really felt bad because the energy was actually quite beautiful.

16:04 And I've done house cleansings where I've felt like, you know, I know another lady asked me to do a house cleanse for her. And I went in and the dog was literally afraid the dog would not go towards, we'll say the rec room area, right? It would walk around and the chandelier was like moving and the girl didn't feel safe in her bed and all these things. And so I know that sometimes these things are scary, but really all that one ended up being was the lady that owned the house a hundred years ago. Oh my gosh, you know, sometimes they're not happy with what's going on in their house because like you said, sometimes they're still house bound to their homes and they have all their incredible memories there so they don't want to leave them. But that really was all it was. And when I asked the home owner, I said, do you want me to get like to tell her to leave?

16:55 And she said, oh, no. She said, I just don't want the dog feeling so scared because they literally won't walk through into the the rec room area. Yeah. And afterwards it was fine. But they're I also knew that there was more to it. But sometimes you can't you can't tell somebody that's a homeowner to do something that they're not aware of or that they will want to do either. So I know you must feel the same way that sometimes we pick up on stop that really isn't ours to do anything to or with. Yeah, if it's somebody's home and they they want things a certain way. I mean, it's their home. It's their their choice. Right. Sometimes it's hard because, you know, your conscience tells you you should do something. And I've had this experience before where someone was very attached to a spirit and they didn't want to let the spirit go. But when you look at the big picture, that spirit has been misplaced for however many years. And in one instance, this was quite a few years ago, but we have a restaurant in Halifax called the Five Fishermen. And Five Fishermen, the building itself has quite a long history. There was, I guess

18:12 Originally like an orphanage there when Halifax was first settled. And then we had disasters like the black plague, we had the Titanic disaster. So it eventually got turned into a morgue. And so there was a lot of energy in this restaurant, right? Yeah. Yeah. So we were asked to go and just kind of like do an investigation, like see if we can connect with spirit. And somebody wanted to film it for like a film project or something. So we went and we did connect with we talked to like the manager and we talked to some people that worked there and we did connect to some energy, some spirit. And there was a little girl who felt like she really want she just wanted her mom, like she was just young girl and she was just wanting her mom and was lonely. And there was other energies in the restaurant that weren't so nice. So, you know, we, we basically said we're going to cross over this little girl. So we opened up like a portal of energy and directed her towards it. And as she started to go, it was like we were seeing this in real time because we could see her leaving. And the

19:28 Manager was crying. The manager was bawling. And I don't it was just the timing lined up so well. It was almost like she could feel her going. And when we we tried to talk to her, she wasn't very happy because she didn't want her spirit to go. She looked at this little girl as her own or her friend in a sense. And she wasn't very happy with us. But she did say that she just really didn't want her to go. So it was kind of hard to understand because I'm looking at the whole situation thinking this little girl has been here for like 250 years. Like she she wants to be with the soul she knows she doesn't want to be stuck in this restaurant or building anymore. So for me, I was like, no, no question, like we've got to cross over this little girl. I didn't even think the manager would react that way. But people do get attached. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And but you know, you think about the big picture and you would think that would be enough to let let them go maybe she was letting her go and it was just emotional, I don't know. But yeah, that it's kind of crazy, right? And crazy that you're your homeowner, you know, wanted to get rid of her nanny, just like, get out of here, Nanny.

20:43 You scare me. Yeah. And then even though I know who you are. Yeah. And then and then the living being attached to spirit and saying, no, I want you to stay here. I mean, obviously, you know, if they cared about you, like if it was a family member and you asked them to stay, they probably would try, you know, because but then what are you keeping them from? Yeah, what, you know, what is what is coming for them on the other side is so beautiful. Why would you keep your loved one from that makes no sense to me? But you know, what's funny is earlier, you said something about like when a bird hits a window and, and, you know, the sign is usually someone's going to die. There we've had lots of birds hit windows, you and I being together, but none of them have died only one occasion. Yeah. And I had done I have a group of ladies that I work on every year. And they were coming to Halifax this one year and they were going to do a girls get together here. But there was this one girl out of the whole group and I kept saying to the group, I said, I don't know why, but I'm really worried about her. And it was, you know, obviously I didn't know what was going to happen. But I was worried in a way that I thought, you know, because I'm reading the room, they're all drinking and having fun.

21:55 And there was a hot tub on the roof and, you know, there was some tricky stairs to get up and down. So I just couldn't help. I couldn't shake this worry I had for this one woman. I just kept worrying that she's not going to be safe. Something just felt wrong. I was afraid she was going to get hurt or something. And I'm not a worrier at all. I don't think I don't think like that. That was not something that would normally pop into my head. Well, that's it. When those thoughts pop into your head and you're not a worrier, right? You know, like there's something something going on in the universe. Yeah, so I did I did all my work and I was leaving and again, her and I had a great session, like just it really opened her up. She was so happy. I felt so happy for her. And then I think it was the very next day, a big partridge hit our window and died. I went out and tried to rake it and save it. And I have saved many birds, many dragonflies. I've saved a lot of them. I've raked them back. We had a dragonfly in our camping gear for probably three weeks. And we opened the bin to reorganize things. And and the dragonfly was in there and Kim raked it and

23:11 It flew away. It's not not very straight for a while. It took a little while because one of its wings were really quite they looked quite damaged, but I raked it for a long time. And then it flew and then it landed and flew again, but it eventually was fine. But this whole the bird thing, like what I found out the next day is I found out that that lady on their way home, they walked out of a store or something and she had like a massive heart attack and was gone. So you know, sometimes these things like I know my daughter just had a bird hit their window and break their window and they got a new house. And they were freaked out. And we we were like, we're not saying anything because we knew it was not a good sign. It didn't feel good at all. And honestly, though, a lot of things have happened. They're getting married in a couple weeks. And there was all this energy around their wedding. Well, my ex brother-in-law passed away.

24:13 So it wasn't wrong. You don't always know what it's like it's sometimes not for you, but this person passed. And, you know, it's it's an emotional time of year. There's been two people passing and then they got an exciting wedding. It's it really messes with the energy. So yeah, we didn't say anything to them. But it was true that there was a bird, it hit the window, it broke the window brand new house. Like I'm talking months old. Yeah. So, you know, these things can freak us out. And I know my daughter was saying, Oh, I know something's wrong. This isn't a good thing. But it ended up it wasn't a very good thing. But it wasn't directly directed at them. But here's the funny thing too, is because we have messengers like birds that come to us all the time. And my one of my aunts, like my my first wedding, I was planning my wedding and really excited about it. But one of my aunts who was important to me was we found it was sick. And she didn't have very long. And I asked if we could move the wedding up. Like this was kind of early in the planning, but I moved the wedding up. I think it was I think I moved it up two months or something. Because I really wanted her to be there. And I really wanted her to be well. She ended

25:30 Up passing a month before my wedding. And it was interesting because I was staying at my parents that night that she passed. But a bird came to my window at my house. And so my fiance at the time, he called me and he said there is this bird outside our bedroom window. And it's just been hovering there for 45 minutes. And he said, I feel like I have to tell you about it. I don't know why. And he didn't know that my aunt had passed through the night night. It was early in the morning. And I told him I said, Well, you know, she passed away, my aunt passed away. And so that she probably was coming to say hi, because she had been to my house. And we were we had talked many times. And around that time, and I was trying to I was trying to change the wedding around so she would be there. And I think she knew that and it was almost like she was coming to say it's okay. Yeah, you know, I know what you did. So, you know, there's many messengers and many things like, you know, we sometimes sometimes I say to Kim, I'm like, Oh, there's a disturbance in the force, you know, like, like something has happened. And you can tell that there's more coming. And these premonition things, I mean, they're all around us all the time. We had

26:45 Like, and we have talked about it before, that our hosts, we bought the gentleman that lived here had passed away in the driveway. And the hosts had gone to his sister and his sister sold it to us. And we had some pretty amazing things. Oh, my gosh, and I would see him all the time. Laura's office is upstairs. And I would see him all the time. I could tell you what he was wearing. But I'd see him walk down the hall and walk into her room and I'd say, Oh, Wayne's here again. You know, and he came around so many times, I remember even having conversations in the living room, where we'd be talking about him because he was really you have to think about this. We we don't look at things the right way. But here this guy is he has this home, you know, but he's never had the ability to do anything to make it look like better. You know, this house was very under loved.

27:38 And I think he was just so happy that we were loving it back to life that he really was trying hard to communicate with us that you know, he's trying to say, Thank you. Yeah. So there was times we'd be sitting in the living room and, you know, right beside the living room, there's stairs going down stairs and there would. We would literally hear him walking like you could hear the steps creaking. And then we'd say something like, Oh, there he is. And he'd stop. Even with one of Laura's kids, they were here one time. I think it freaked them out a little bit. But oh, yeah, it happened multiple times. Oh, yeah, we would, we would be talking talking. And then we'd hear the footsteps on the stairs and say, Oh, there's Wayne. And then immediately they're stopped. Oh, but what did he do one day? He sneezed. Yeah. So I was, I think I was upstairs. And I thought, I thought Kim was downstairs. And I heard this like sneeze, like full on male sneeze. Like, you know, you could tell it was a man, there's force in the belly. Yeah. And I'm like, that's weird. Like, and I was like, Kim, Kim, no answer, no answer. I'm like, so I went on founder.

28:41 I think she was in the garage or something. I was like, Oh my God, Wayne was just in the basement when he sneezed. Yeah. I didn't even know ghosts could sneeze. I love how we still get a kick out of all these little things that happen. And we're like, Oh, yeah. But it's our life. But, but yeah, like in the moment I was like, do ghosts sneeze? Like, no, no. And you know, like ghosts can be helpful too. Like we, when we went to Sedona, that was an amazing trip all together. But Kim really, we weren't very far away from the Grand Canyon and Kim really wanted to go. And Laura did not want to go. But she did not keep talking to us. No, I had no idea. I was saying things like, Oh, you know, it's a long drive. That's hard on your back. Your back. And we're in the car all day and la la la. But really, there was something in me that I really didn't want to go. And I don't know why the Grand Canyon is beautiful.

29:36 Everybody wants to visit there. You know, it's a big tourist place. But I was having a really hard time. So the night before, we were still talking about going the next day. But I was being pretty like, no, not going, whatever, did not want me to have what I wanted. Well, no, this never happens. This never happens. She doesn't. That wasn't it. It was really something in me. This little voice was like, you don't want to go there. So we went to sleep. Plan was next day, we're going to get up in the morning, we're going to decide what we're doing. Laura was already decided I am not going to know Grand Canyon. But throughout the night, I had this feeling of somebody was in the room. And I think we even both talked about it. We're like, doesn't it feel like there's somebody in here and there's nobody there, obviously. But I had this feeling middle of the night, you know, when you're awake, but you don't want to open your eyes. So I was awake and feeling like somebody's like standing over me. And I don't want to open my eyes. I just, I'm like, no, I just don't want to engage this. But in my third eye, I could see something.

30:41 It looked like I look like a very large, very, very large Indigenous man, you know, one of my God, very for very forward, very like, you know, yeah. So when what happens to me sometimes is all open my physical eyes. And it's almost like how you see like heat waves from from like a baseboard heater, like I could see the energy moving in the place where he was standing with my physical eye. And then with my mind's eye, I could see what he looked like. And then I heard him talk. Oh my God. So he was saying, I love this, by the way, he was saying that I had to go to get over my fear. And Kim needed to go to have the connection and that we were going to the Grand Canyon. And it was a ball for Kim. It was it was no, but okay, let's just take that aside for one second. We drove through like, oh, the driving there and back. The whole experience was as good as the driving was great. Great views. Plus we drove through every single ecosystem you could think of. We were in the desert. We were in the mountains. We were in the grasslands. We were in the forest. You know, it was beautiful. Coming from Sedona

31:57 Through Flagstaff into the Grand Canyon like area. I can't tell you it was wild horses, like everything you could dream about it was on the way there. Laura was feeling magical. It was like horses running and sunshine through the trees and these amazing crows at one point. Remember all those big tall trees with green green. We hit the spot where there was so many crows. It was ridiculous. Or Ravens maybe even, but the trees were so tall. And like, we stopped in Oak Creek, and we got to see the beautiful views. And that kind of like, kind of made me a little nervous because I'm not very good with heights, but it wasn't too bad there. But when we got to the Grand Canyon, I had full on panic attacks. Something about the depth of the canyon, something about the height that we're standing at, like I don't know why it just got me. But I do believe what the native spirit was trying to tell me was that I need to go there to overcome something that maybe it happened to me in another life, or maybe something that a fear that has accumulated to the point where it's too much.

33:10 So I had to go and face my fear. I didn't have any like, I didn't have any like clear past life experiences there or anything. I just know that when things are that intense, there's a reason why I had to go there. And I knew that Kim Kim just was in her glory. Like she loved it. She felt so connected to the land. It was beautiful. Amazing. We have amazing pictures. But Laura was nervous, which I had no, here's the funny thing about this. I had no idea. And the native elder that was talking to me was telling me that I needed to go. And we had done the thing Laura wanted to go to Angel Valley. And, you know, I would have rented a Jeep and drove over the freaking mountains for that. So it really was something I really wanted to do. But I didn't want to push her in a way that would make her uncomfortable. So I think it was beautiful how it unwind. Didn't she's laughing?

34:06 Oh, yeah, because I was very uncomfortable but knew that spirit. I do listen to spirit when they tell me, you know, that these are things that we need or things we have to do. I trust. So we did. We didn't go. And I had no idea that my wife was so afraid of heights. I had no idea. She asked me, please don't go close to the club. Please don't. Because there's people doing some really crazy stuff, like standing on the water on the edge taking selfies like crazy people. Who are these people? But we had a we had a jeep tour like a few days before that that didn't help us because the tour guide had done tours at Grand Canyon and he told us that there's over 50 people that fall into the canyon every year just hiking and whatever. And I'm like, oh my God, that's one person a week. One person a week.

34:59 And then of course we're at the Grand Canyon and I'm like talking to Kim going, one person could fall in today. That could happen today. And I'm of course laughing inside but not wanting to insult her. Okay. It's all right. We're going to be okay. But the whole experience was really cool. I think one of the things that I love about all of this too is that how many times have we been like it happened not long ago that somebody came in our bedroom and sat on your side of the bed. You had just left and I know it was your grandfather. Yeah. And you know, I just think those things are so cool. Even in my work, there's been loads of times that I've been, you know, at someone's head, I've had their head in my hand. I'm doing Reiki and they can feel somebody at their feet or vice versa, or they'll feel somebody and they'll be like, Oh, weren't you just at my head? I can feel somebody that has their hands on my knees. And I have seen it sometimes with my third eye.

35:57 I've sometimes seen it with my physical eyes. Sometimes I just have a good knowing. But I can tell there is somebody from their family or a guy that's trying to help them within the treatment. So I think that's always been something I really loved. And even before we've talked about some of these things on other podcasts, but when my mom was dying, I clearly felt multiple times my grandmother on the bed. Literally, the like the movement, you could feel it. And I could see it sometimes. And the last time was my grandmother and both my mother's sisters, I could feel them all at the end of the bed. And it's happened to me multiple, multiple times. I'm sure it's happened to you multiple times. Oh, yeah. And I think about like, when we were filming the TV show and how many things happened, you know that we couldn't you can't put these things in the show.

36:52 The show has a format, it has a story. They stick to a storyline. And that's pretty much it. So they don't include all these things. But I mean, we are literally staying in haunted places. So there is all kinds of stuff happening. And one of the places we stayed, we stayed at an inn in Lunenburg. And it made it more creepy because it was right after COVID, but there was no guests there yet. Like they hadn't quite opened for guests. So they told us like all the crew that we could stay in the in and film in the inn. And basically they had a manager just come and like, you know, lock up at night or whatever. But the inn had like a main house that was like the original house. So an older home, an older home. And then it had like a built on piece, like a newer piece with like other rooms in it. So we were all spread out. And they kind of like played a little trick on me, because they put me in the haunted room, which was so kind of them. And they didn't tell me. And when we got there, like, because it's the whole thing, we're talking about ghosts and it's the whole feeling and everybody's in that, you know, thinking. And so the

38:07 Crew was getting agitated, like some people on the crew, they're getting upset, they're getting fearful. By the time it's getting dark out, everybody's looking at me like, are you going to fix this? Like, are you going to love that? Can you cleanse my room? I even had some people on the crew ask if they could sleep in my room, because my room had an extra bed in it. And I'm just like, Oh my God, you guys, it's not that big a deal. Like, if you want me to cleanse your room, I will. But this is not that big a deal. So I went around, and I cleansed the people's rooms that wanted it done. Now, I have to say, there were some people on the crew that didn't, they don't care. They don't believe in paranormal stuff. So they probably slept great, you know, but, but there was a few people that could feel something like it just didn't feel right. So I went around and I cleansed the rooms and I put kind of like a, I put like a sprinkle of salt on my doorway.

38:55 And I just basically said to spirit, all of you stay outside, stay outside the room. I'm going to go to sleep. Laura needs sleep. Now, it wasn't really that I wasn't specific enough. Because I think that was the night I was talking to you on the phone. Well, actually, what happened was we did talk, but I didn't realize how bad it was going to be yet, because that was the night that I didn't sleep at all, because there was somebody in my doorway all night long, and they just wouldn't leave. And I'm like, but I put the salt there, but they were staying on the other side of the salt, like they didn't cross it, but they were there and I was aware of them. So I felt like somebody watching me sleep all night. It was the weirdest thing. So I woke up in the morning and called Kim and she said, you know, there's a lineup of spirits there. And we have both seen the same guy who looked like he was like a priest or a minister or something like he looked all religious like. And he was at the first line and there was people standing behind him. And what Kim said, she said, you know what you have to do? You have to actually sit down, meditate, let them come through and let them talk and then maybe they'll leave you alone.

40:08 Well, yeah, because and I think that's one of the beautiful things about this is many times you did the TV show. If I was there, it was one thing I'd pick up on things with you. But even through the phone, I could see that guy that looked like the priest, I could see what he was wearing, I could see all the people behind him. And I could hear them because we look at things from one perspective, but they were just going, hey, lady, you see us, right? Oh my gosh, we've been waiting forever to talk to somebody we want to talk. And that's all I was getting was that they just wanted. And I know lots of people that do this stuff. And we've had multiple conversations and most people say the same thing. They're just so excited to talk to somebody that sees them and hears them. And I think that's just so beautiful. I love that, right? But I did, I just said just just talk to them. So I did because I wanted to sleep the second night. So I did a meditation and the gentleman at the front of the line, I'm not sure there was a little bit of confusion because there was a feeling from there's a church nearby and there was a feeling from the church that there was like a priest or minister type person coming through any he was very like apologetic, I would say. But then another energy that was there was a man in a brown suit. And he

41:26 Was saying that he was a previous owner and that he knew of the ghost stories of the in and he didn't like it. So he put crosses in all the rooms and Bibles and all the rooms and he had somebody come in and do like exorcisms and he was praying and all the stuff. And he said little like little did he know that he actually made it. He made the paranormal activity kind of ramp up because he was trying to deny that it was there. So there was you know, there was a few other spirits, I talked to all of them and then that it was so calm the second night. It was so nice. I had a great sleep. But yeah, everybody was kind of waiting to see what I said because they didn't tell me that I was in the haunted room. They were testing me why I don't know, but that's what they did love the scare, right? And then during the filming, some different things happened that we there was a rocking chair that rocks on its own. So we were in the room with the rocking chair. And I could see the lady of the house sitting in the chair again, like we're talking with stillborns today. But with us rocking a stillborn. And it hit me so hard when we went into that room that I had to really work. I had to

42:42 Work really hard to not be too emotional. Because I couldn't for some reason, I didn't feel like at the time I could share that information. It just felt like it was a very private moment. And the lady of the house was a very misunderstood person. So it was her that most people would say that they they felt or they thought that she was kind of, you know, responsible for the haunting. But I mean, other people in the crew, they said things while we were there, like people had nightmares, terrible nightmares. One person said they felt like somebody pulled was pulling the blanket off their bed. You know, another person reported somebody standing in the room like the feeling of somebody standing in the room and not actually seeing them. But it was it was interesting because sometimes you don't know how much is just like the idea like we're talking about it. So is it the idea that something's there? Or they just thinking about it?

43:42 Or did things actually happen? But the people that had those experiences, like the nightmares and stuff, they're very experienced people in paranormal. So I would say that it did happen. There is an energy there, for sure. And I I left there just thinking, like, wow, okay, like, I guess, like, the spirit does know they do know who I am, they do know that they can talk to me or they want to talk to me. And then it just continued on. It continued on through our experience with the TV show. Lots of connections with spirit. And, you know, I would call Kim, and I wouldn't even have to say anything. And she would be like, Oh, it's, it's this and this and this. And I can see this. And that happened at the Halifax Club.

44:29 Yeah, that was crazy. I was going through the motions, like you're filming things you're the because of my work, like I'm picking up on things. And the Halifax Club had multiple things happen there over the years. And so people reported screaming. They reported music playing in what used to be the ballroom. They reported cold spots throughout the building. They reported a scream, like a woman scream or somebody screaming. And there's and dissim what they call disembodied voices. So when you hear voices, but no, no source. So lots of people had reported things there. And I remember calling Kim and I didn't even have to say anything. And like, you remember, Oh, I remember because you were explaining what was going what was happening. And part of what you guys were filming. And I could physically feel and see this woman being thrown out a window. I could even see what the ground looked like. I could see how the building was very close to another building that almost felt like an alleyway or something. And you didn't even say it to me. And I was like, Oh, my God, they threw her out a window. Like that. And it was heartbreaking.

45:41 Yeah. So the story, the story at the LFX Club was that there was a at one time it was a gentleman's club. And they talk about her being a prostitute. But what I picked up on was she was a young lady who was promised a better life. And she was brought from a small town and brought to the LFX Club and told that she would be protected and provided this life. And it was one particular man that she actually did really like that he was going to keep her safe and give her a nice, you know, future. Right. And that's not what happened because he started allowing other men to come to her room. And it didn't go over very well. And so one of those men had a heart attack while they were, you know, maybe doing whatever. And when it was found out that this man had had a heart attack in her presence, the police came in, blamed her, and she was thrown out a window. So obviously, this is a long time ago, like the LFX Club has been established for, you know, what, geez, I don't even know, like over 150 years, maybe. So this is a long, long time ago. And this is, you know, what happened. She was blamed

46:57 For this prominent man's death. And it wasn't really a fair thing to do. But that's what happened. And when she came to me in spirit, she explained to me that she wasn't she was in no way a prostitute. That was not what her plans were. But she got forced into this path and into this life. And then she was stuck, you know, she couldn't leave. I think the feeling to it's amazing how you can feel so much, even through a phone, because you're my partner. And, you know, because of what we share together, you explaining it, then I felt it through it. And I, I could feel this woman who felt like a beautiful person, like she was miss unders like not misled really, really. And that it didn't, I could feel the strongest thing I felt was that they just disposed of her like she was nothing. And it was heartbreaking. I can still feel that energy today, because it felt like even afterwards things didn't her energy wasn't rectified, I guess is what I'd have to say is that yeah. And so me communicating with her probably, I hope anyway, helped her some I felt like she her energy left the club. And, you know, if

48:13 People continue, because we can have certain kinds of hauntings where people themselves, your thoughts manifest reality. And so if you keep the story going, there May still be paranormal things happening there, or maybe there's other spirits there. But I don't think it's her. I feel like she, she did leave the club finally, like I told her story as best I could. I didn't have a lot of specifics about her other than like the actual story of what happened. I don't know where she came from. I don't know any of those things. I just knew how she made me feel about what happened. So sharing it, I think helped her I felt lighter. I felt like she, you know, she moved forward. And sometimes that's all it is when spirits stuck in a sense we I don't like using the word stuck but when spirit is in a place where they need something to happen so they can release they can have closure. And when they do have closure, they can move forward.

49:12 I think one of the things I love through doing house cleansings or land blessings or whatever we've done over the years is that when we're dealing with, I'll just say native energy, and a lot of stuff that was missed, like not done right or not done correctly. All that the spirit ever wants is the acknowledgement. And and like, and then for it to be set free. But it's so to me, I've never felt like they were angry. It's more like, do the thing you're supposed to do. And that's it. Yeah. Like, recognize that this was somebody was done by like something was done in the wrong way. Yeah. And it wasn't okay. I'm always trying to find the right words. Yeah. You know, but it's like, just say you're sorry.

50:03 Well, yeah, we're like, just just acknowledge what happened and release and bless. So this is sort of what I do when I'm trying to I'm trying to move sport spirit forward. I share whatever they need to share. But you know, honestly, sometimes spirit doesn't want to go. They have their reasons. And I nobody can make them cross over. But I do know that the living have a certain amount of protection, like you're allowed to be protected in your home and feel safe and secure in your own home. And so if spirit doesn't want to actually cross over, then what I've done is I've bound I've bound them to like the property line or somewhere outside the house or something so that they're not haunting the individual members of the house. You just told a story about a guy. Yeah.

50:57 So I call that story the mean farmer, right, because because I was called to a host, just outside of Toro, and the parents were concerned because their three year old wouldn't sleep in his room. And he was complaining that there was a mean man, a scary man outside his window. And it was the way they had his bedroom set up, his bed was very like almost on level with the window. So when he was trying to sleep at night, this guy would show up in his window and scare him like all the time. So he couldn't sleep in his room. And he was sleeping with his parents. And so they they wanted to help him, obviously, but I think they wanted their bed back. I think they're like, you know, you got to go sleep in your own room. So we went to this house and we discovered that there was a man, there was two men on the property, but one of them was the owner. And he had been an owner of many parcels of land that had now been all subdivided and there was houses on them.

51:56 But he was upset that all these houses were on his land. And he wasn't understanding that he wasn't alive. He wasn't understanding that it's not your land anymore. And he was he was hard to talk to hard to deal with. He didn't want anything to do with us. And at the time, the lady that I was working with was from Jamaica. So he didn't like black people. He didn't want to talk to him. He was really, really forceful. So we we know. And I knew and learned that the safety of the people in the home, they that's that goes above. That's number one. It doesn't matter if the spirit doesn't want to leave, they don't have to leave, but they can't haunt the family anymore. Right. So we, we did a kind of like a protection around the house and we asked our guides to help us keep him on the property line. So we couldn't come close to the house anymore. He could go anywhere else he wanted out in the woods or other other pieces of land, corn field, barn, I don't care, go somewhere else. He could go anywhere else he wanted, but he wasn't to bother this little boy anymore. So after we were done, packed up and left, we got a call the next day that the parents

53:11 Were so happy that the little boy was sleeping in his bedroom very first night and he had no, no issues. So that's what you want. Right. You want the people that are living, we have no way, you know, we think anyway, we don't have any power, but we have power over some things you, you deserve to have, you know, a safe and happy home and you can draw those boundaries with spirit. And I've had to do it many times because, you know, what are we doing in our work? We're inviting spirit in because we want to help communicate. But then they're with you and you don't need them with you 24 seven, you know, you have to sleep, you have to eat, you have to go get groceries, you have to pay bills, you have to run errands, you don't want spirit with you all the time. And sometimes I've had these little old grandmother spirits, I get a little confused and they show up too early or they come too late or they're in my car and they're like, what am I doing here? And I'm like, I don't know, why are you?

54:09 But that's pretty harmless, you know, but I have had to do some kind of like protection things to keep our bedroom sacred so we don't have that, you know, spirit energy coming in at night or keep our home sacred or put, you know, protection around our property line. And that's just like, kind of like extra, like I don't feel unprotected, but I just feel like where we're in that world, and we're going into that world all the time, that sometimes it's just a good practice, you know, it's just a good like cover all your bases. Well, and I think when you're as sensitive as you and I are, because I mean, let's be honest, it was wasn't a week and a half ago that, well, Thanksgiving, we come home from Thanksgiving, we, you know, like you're making pies, you're on your feet, you're it's a lot of work, it's a lot of dishes, you're so you're tired.

54:58 Yeah, you're tired. So we went and laid on the heat and geez, we were only doing it for a couple minutes and I started going, Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm having a panic attack. And I don't, I don't have panic attack. So and then my heart was hurting. And then Laura was like, I don't feel good. And oh my gosh, I'm not, I feel like I'm going to be sick. And then I meditated for a few minutes. I looked at her, I said, this isn't ours. Yeah, this is absolutely not ours. Well, the very next morning, my daughter called me and said she had to rush her partner to the hospital. She had an episode with her Crohn's. And, you know, she had something happen on my birthday at first the year. So it was and it was very scary. So there was a little bit of trauma there too, I could feel her. But then there was also, this is how specific it can be. I knew there was some kind of communication at Thanksgiving that was uncomfortable. And I was picking up on that as well. So it's really was sometimes we don't realize what we're connected to. I find storms, the barometric pressure change and can make us feel a lot of energy. And sometimes there's something going on. I'm from New Brunswick, but I'm living in Halifax. Laura and I live here. So, you know, sometimes you're picking up on stuff all over the place. So we don't realize how affected by energy we are. And we have to be more aware of it.

56:13 That's true. Right. So true. And you can cleanse your home, you can protect your home, you can protect yourself. But really it's so funny. I was just thinking about this and we were talking about it the other day that last year, I was asked to a talk about psychic protection. And it was only if like a few months earlier that I got this big download that I didn't need psychic protection. I never feel like now I'm gonna do this talk about psychic. But I mean, it worked out really well, because I just talked about how I felt that if you're working in the highest good, and you're working for from, you know, your heart and for all the right reasons that you don't really need protection per se, a lot of the stuff that people feel they need protection from is usually lower vibrational energy. But even if let's just say for a second that your host is haunted, and you've got stuff going on in your host, if there's footsteps, if there's maybe doors opening and closing, or apparitions, is that really going to hurt you? Like do you really need to protect yourself from that? When you really think about what's happening, it's just because you can't see who's doing it, that it bothers you because if it was a physical person walking around, you know, maybe a family member walking around opening and

57:30 Closing cupboard doors and and doors on bedrooms and bathrooms and things, or if they were rattling around making noises, you, you wouldn't be scared. So spirit is everywhere. Energy is everywhere. And there's more spirits around us than there is physical living people. Right. But if it's like scary, like if you like with the three three year old boy who couldn't sleep in his room, you have the power to tell spirit to go away and, you know, leave your home. And I somebody came up to me at the Amherst event on Friday and she said, the advice you gave me last year worked. I didn't remember what I mean, you know, I did when she told me, but at first I was like, Oh, what advice is that?

58:19 And she said, well, she said my daughter's grandfather was around her all the time. And it was making her crazy. She didn't like it. And you told her to tell him that he had to stop talking to her that she didn't like it. And so she said, her daughter went to the graveyard and talked to her grandfather and said, you can go bug my sister, but you can't talk to me anymore. So she said a funny wind, like a wind came up from nowhere and blew all around her. And that was it. He never tried to talk to her again. And I mean, I don't want to push away my family, my grandparents and that kind of thing. But some people it does really freak them out and it does really bug them. And so if you talk to spirit and you just say, listen, like, I don't like this. This isn't the way I want to talk to you. You know, maybe there's other ways we can communicate, but this isn't working for me. And it's making me nervous or scaring me. Please don't do that.

59:21 They'll leave. Absolutely. And I have four grandchildren. And I make, I make my own natural product. So I have like a white sage spray because not everybody can burn it. And I have like an energy clearing one and stuff like that. And it's so funny the way people, you know, say things, I'd go to my grandkids, my son's place. And his mom would have some of my sprays. The kids called it monster spray. Oh my God, right? Remember? So it's like they use the spray to get rid of the monsters. And of course, I'd tell them there's no such thing as monsters. But you know, we we've had multiple conversations about even my kids. I was just thinking when you're a parent and you want your kids to go to bed, you'll believe in monsters with them if you have to get, you know, if you have to get them to bed and the monster spray is going to work, you're like whatever works. I'm so tired.

1:00:13 This happens night after night. But I remember my daughter and my son both different times saying, Mom, the doorbell, you know, the doorbell was broken. And my son would say, Mom, the doorbell keeps going off. And he's calling me I'm out somewhere. And both my kids are highly intuitive and connected. But they both don't they don't love it because it's it's nerve racking for them to thank spirits around them all time. They're not their mother. And I used to tell them and they tell me different things that were happening. My son could sometimes hear, you know, a native. He said there was a native guy out back walking in his bare feet. And he said I can hear his feet going through the water. And there was the doorbell going off and my daughter was picking up on stuff. And I think she was about 13 and she was upset because she could hear them. And she said, Mom, I'm not like you. I don't want this. I don't like it. And she was like, really upset. And I said, honey, if you don't want it, you don't have to have it. Just communicate to them that because not all spirits are the same. And they're not always trying to like be mean or scary. They're just wanting to talk to you like the like the poor little old nanny. I know that other whole literally like literally they just want to talk to you. They just talk

1:01:28 To me. I love talking to you. Right. They just they just want to like make contact with you. And so you know that they're still around. And they might not always use the best methods but they're not trying to scare you most of the time. And, you know, I look at like energies as every every energy, every one of us is just trying to survive. And so even if the energy is not a great energy in order for them to survive, they feed on your energy. So they evoke it, they make you scared, or, you know, they make you anxious, or angry, and then they draw that energy from it. So don't if you don't want them around, just don't give them their energy, don't give them any energy. Just say this is very firmly. This is my house. This is a safe place. And you are not welcome here. And that's it. They will go now. I have had people not be able to say forcefully enough. So that's why me and Kim get hired to go in and do host cleansing sometimes, or if there's a spirit, we can cross over then we do that. And you have a one of the things I love about watching because you know, we both do the same things sometimes a little differently. But one of the things I've watched with you is when you're doing cleansing,

1:02:44 You'll break bring different things. So we'll bring fresh cut flowers. Sometimes there's limes and rice. But sometimes when the haunting is really strong, one of the things I liked that I picked up on about it was that you brought a crucifix because you got to understand whatever the object that you use, if it has a big energy, then it has a bigger energy to help you. And it has a meaning to the spirit. Right. Right. So I would get a message before we would go to some of these that you should bring a rosary. You should bring like I have these Tibetan bells that kind of chime. And sometimes I was told to bring those because the sound was important. Breaking. Yeah, breaking the energy. It's kind of like in some cultures, they believe if you break a glass, break the negative energy will the chime does something, it cuts through the air. So or I was told to bring flowers or fruit.

1:03:41 Sometimes we brought our drums and our drums to you. So the Five Fishermen restaurant, one of the things we were told to bring was lilies. And there was some significance to the Easter Lily. And that's why we brought them with us because it was significant to the spirits that were there that they needed that energy they needed to see that. And I do believe that we work in a way that we work as a team. So it's us in the physical and our spirit guides, and then the spirit that needs to cross over and they need every element for this to work. So I believe that the the candles that we bring the flowers we bring or the fruit or whatever, I believe that all of that is creating an energy to help it's creating it's giving vibration. Yeah, it's an offering. And we've done other ones where we had to give an offering to spirit. And that could be in the form of rice or dried corn or crystals like I still do that to the house. I mean, you don't always see me. But one of the things I do just all the time is I periodically go outside and I take our sage balls

1:04:56 And I empty them on the land like the big pieces I'll put in the fire pit. But the little ones, the ashes, I put it all over the property. And then I go out with sacred tobacco and give that as an offering to the earth to say thank you for everything that it's given me. Right. So the elements of your host cleansing, it's talking to spirit, putting down the ground rules, you know, you can if you want to smudge, you can you can light a candle, you can use fruit or flowers, whatever you like, if you like those things, I sometimes I'll bring flowers to host cleansing for the for the homeowner. But what I tell them that the flowers are there to absorb any little bit of energy that's left. And then you leave the flowers until they wilt and then you throw them out. That is the last little bit of cleansing that happens.

1:05:48 But your elements are to set down the ground rules, clear the house, whether you're smudging or whether you're using salt around the property or whatever, open the window or a door while you do this inside the home, you're telling spirit what you want. And then you're offering a blessing, right? Because you're saying, you know, this is the way I want things to go. This is how I want the energy in my house. But you're also saying, thank you. And I understand. I understand, you know, you've been here for a reason. But now it's time for you to go. You're free. Yeah, you're free. I like I like that you're free. And now we're going to free you. Hope you enjoyed this episode. We certainly did. We always love telling stories about all the fun stuff we do. Yeah, some people don't think it's fun, but we do. Oh, it's it's our thing. It is. And you know what, we have many more, many more stories, ghost stories to share with you at another time. We'll save those for another special occasion.

1:06:46 Sounds good. All right. See you next time. If you're interested in contacting Kim for Soul Awakening Coaching, please contact her at mksoulcoaching.com. If you'd like to check out my website and everything that I do, please go to laurawarrenmedium.com.