How to protect yourself from Psychic Vampires

0:00 Hello, I'm Kim and I'm Laura and today we're talking about how to protect yourself against psychic vampires. Yeah, it sounds really scary, but we're going to talk all about it and you won't be scared anymore, I promise. Today we're talking about psychic vampires and, uh, I actually, this is another big, big topic out there. Anytime I put out a video or I teach a class on psychic vampires, it's everybody is all ears. Um, it sounds really scary. Um, when you think about vampires, like, you know, it can be not very much fun. No, no, no, I mean, I guess when you don't know what's happening and you don't know what to do about it, I guess it can be a little scary. Well, we give things names, right? Like saying psychic vampire and really you could call it narcissist.

0:46 You could call it. Well, yeah, and I think the narcissist term actually fits. It's like, it's like more common. It's more acceptable. When you say psychic vampires, people kind of go, Oh my God. Um, but yeah, the vampires coming to get you. Yeah, we're talking, we're talking about, we're talking about narcissists, but we're also talking about the energy side of things. So this is something that narcissists do, but not, uh, I would say there's more psychic vampire activity than just narcissists. So, um, we're going to cover all that today. And first of all, what, what really is a psychic vampire? I mean, I think my definition of a psychic vampire is it, it's when somebody has directed ill intent towards you and they, they are using you as a source of energy.

1:40 So they are taking like that good feeling energy that you have, uh, inside of you and using it. And so you would have some side effects from that, but psychic vampires sometimes are doing this unknowingly. Right. Um, so there's two, to me, there's two types. There's the type with, uh, knowing intent and the type of that are unaware that they do this. And really what we want, if anybody's ever read the book, Celestine prophecies, which I love, been studying that since 2006. Yeah. So that book is by James Redfield. It came out quite a while ago. Um, I think it came out in the late eighties, early nineties. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but it was big in 2006 because 2006 was a time when a lot of people, if you ask, had a big spiritual awakening.

2:32 Oh, massive. So that book actually goes through how we exchange energy, how we exchange energy with our environment, with other people. And when I think of psychic vampires, it feels like they're people that are not connected to source consciousness energy. So they are actually using your energy to survive. Right. And if you think about it, everything on this earth, on this planet is just trying to survive. And we all consume energy to survive of some type. So, you know, our bodies consume food for energy. Right. You know, and then other like species, they consume food for their physical bodies. But what about the energy body? Because the energy body needs to be fed too. So if you're not consciously pulling your energy from source, you know, or from the universe or from mother nature, from the earth in a responsible way, then you're getting it from other people.

3:29 So you, that's the thing. You have to be mindful of your own energy because you could be a psychic, psychic vampire and not even know it. I think we all can be in moments. Like you can be overwhelmed in a moment and need to talk to somebody. And for me, I sometimes will just call somebody and usually it's very few people. I usually have one or two people in my life that I know I can call to vent and I'll literally say, look, I'm really sore. I just need to vent. I need to talk this out because when I hear it out loud, then I can change it. And I'm somebody who I really work hard on keeping my energy in check and making sure that I'm not, I always say puking my energy on people. Because in my field, I have a lot of clients that come in and that's what they would do. They would puke. Now, my clients aren't like that today.

4:15 No, but, but in the beginning, I had to take every client that I ever had. And I think that you work up to a place where you build such a good clientele base that there's not a client that I have. I don't think that I don't love knowing I'm like, oh, this one's coming. Yay. You know, but it wasn't always like that. It's like starting any job. Sometimes in the beginning, you're, you're taking whatever you have to take and then you can be more selective later. So yeah, all our clients now, we absolutely love. Yeah. Um, yeah. And this is the thing that we are coming into contact with people all the time. Some people, you know, some people you don't. Psychic vampires are people normally that are trying to, they've built something with you. Um, they've made a connection. They've built some kind of relationship, but it, it usually becomes pretty clear, uh, earlier on that there, if you're paying attention that there is some sort of control, power struggle, manipulation kind of thing.

5:13 And like I said, sometimes they're aware of it. Sometimes they're not. It doesn't make it okay either way. And you yourself have a responsibility to your own energy field to check in, check in with your own energy field and say, gee, I felt fine before I saw that person. Mm hmm. Yeah. Or the opposite happens. And this is a good way of knowing the people that you're around, that when you're around them, you feel like, because I know, I know what it's like for you and I, a lot of people will say, oh, we just love being around you too. You're just always so happy. But then we have those people in our lives as well that make us feel like they fill us up and make us happy and laugh. And, and you just, it's a beautiful awareness to have that, you know, who does fill your cup and who does empty it. Yeah.

5:58 And that's, that's that responsibility to make sure that you're checking in with your energy field to make sure that you know how you feel when you've spent time with people or whether, or you've done an event or you had something for work or, you know, you had to be around family. This is up to you to check in with yourself and see who is aligned with your energy. And you'll know when you're aligned, when you feel refreshed, recharged, happy, joyful, when you feel positive, calm, calm. I feel really calm when I'm good. When you feel like more things, good things are coming or good things are possible for you. When you spend time with good people that are aligned with your energy, that's the way you feel. Psychic vampires are, as I said, I feel like they're not connected to the right sources of energy.

6:49 So they're actually connecting with people to use power and control and sometimes manipulate people to draw their energy. So what they'll do is they'll kind of like, like spike your energy in some way. So it might be fear. They've created or planted in you judgment. It could be judgment, could be anger. It could be resentment, bitterness, jealousy. Any of these emotions, they will evoke because that emotion produces a lot of energy. And so, you know, you have people in your life that they have this need, you know, to gaslight you, to make you have a certain reaction to something. And they'll start off really, like really good. Like I've had a couple of people in my life that became early on in this work.

7:39 And that's a bigger topic for another podcast, but how spiritual people, there are spiritual narcissists that are really scary because you think that they're love bombing you in the beginning, just like narcissists typically do. And they're saying how great you are and, wow, you're so connected. And I feel your connection and I relate with you. And then, you know, it's so hard to find people that actually see you, like that are like-minded. Absolutely. And so when you find those people and they're like throwing all this stuff at you and you're like, you want to believe it in the moment. Absolutely. You want to believe it. And both of us have had people come into our life that they just, they just suck the energy right out of us because they love it so much.

8:26 We make them feel good. But then when it goes to the point where they want you to fix their problems, then you know that it's gone too far. It's gone too far with that person. They they got to do their own work. Absolutely. Yep. But yeah, they'll tell you whatever you want to hear in the beginning. So, you know, I've certainly experienced that and I know you have too. Oh, so many times I don't even know. And some, you know, acquaintances, friends, family, you know, just it's happened multiple times in multiple ways. But I think the thing that I'm always one of these, I always think I'm a little bit of a weirdo because I love having new awarenesses. I love having a new awareness because it usually sets me free from how I felt before that awareness.

9:12 And then I can go, Oh, right. Like, that's just them, like, I guess now I see people almost as I'm thinking of somebody right now, but they just remind me of a little five year old that's stuck in their, in their trauma and they want everybody else to be miserable because they're miserable or they want you to be, like, sad and angry because they're sad and angry. And that's no way healing doesn't happen in that energy. No, and here, this is the thing. We're human. We do have to feel the range of emotions, but your job is to not stay in emotions that are causing you negative effects. So if you feel like angry, be angry, but then know that that's part of the process and release it right forward to a better vibration.

10:02 And that goes for any emotion, really, like, you know, just because you and I have such a great relationship, we have lots of struggle. We live in two different provinces. We have you have young kids. We have, you know, we have a lot of moving pieces here. And I mean, even me yesterday, I was overwhelmed, but what I do is I had to go for a walk and I went for a swim and I put on my meditative music, because what happens is it immediately pulls me into source energy, source connection, and everything falls away and I feel really relaxed and calm. And that stuff's all gone then. Yeah, but I have to take the time to do that. Yeah, because what would happen? What would happen if you didn't take the time? Well, we all have busy lives, right? And we're all trying to, you know, we're trying to meet all our responsibilities and do everything we have to do and then also enjoy life somewhere along the way. But that's the thing, if you're not keeping in check with your energy, you will find that that's when these psychic vampires, they come out of the woodwork because you are vulnerable. And when you really come to get you, well, it's almost like they sense it, you know, they're like, this is something like this is a situation I can mold and shape

11:18 To my own for my own benefit. And there are so many people out there like this, people that, you know, you probably know, or people you've met, or even people that are in the public eye. And all your job is, is to keep your energy in check meaning you have to know that you are a divine being and you have the power and control to change this to stop this flow of energy leaving you to stop them sucking up all your energy. And see what happens is the friendships, so-called friendships I've had in the past, they were people that wanted something from me, you know, and so your light lady. Well, my energy is something they wanted and needed, because like when you are connected to the divine source and you're pumping pure light, you attract a lot of people just like just like a lighthouse, you know, you're a light in the dark for some people. And some people have good intentions and some people don't. And the key is for you learning, learning what is right for you and what isn't and where do things cross the line. And I am a person Kim knows I am an extreme

12:35 Caregiver, you know, I love just a little I love to help people. You know, I love to see people happy, you know, and if somebody's hurting, it really hurts me and over the years in this work, it has been difficult. And I think, you know, Kim's always had really strong boundaries because of her actual life and her upbringing. But I had to build boundaries around me, my life, my work and my family, because I didn't I didn't have strong enough boundaries. And I wasn't able to I wasn't able to navigate some of these relationships very well. Well, I think some of the things for me is I've had a lot of experience with mental health, dysfunction, lots of narcissism in my life. And I think that for me, I just had to learn that I think our natural state of being is love. And if you look at little kids, you'll see this all the time and even little babies and stuff like, they're so pure, they're so close to heaven. And we get messed up from experiences that we have in our life, if we allow them to take that from us.

13:46 And I think one of the things I've learned to do is I know that you and and like I remember my sister saying this too, but you know, be careful with Kimmy, because if you push it too far, it's just going to cut you right out of her life. And that's true. That's a true fact. I do do that. But I give so many chances before I do that. But the way I look at it is if if I'm somebody that's coming at you all the time, and it's like, to me, it's like knives, it hurts me. It's like cutting me. So how do I protect myself from that? I'm not just going to sit there and be like, Okay, go ahead, throw your knives and, you know, let I'll just I'll just clean it up later. Now I'm at the place where I go, I love myself too much to allow your dysfunction to affect my beautiful connection and my soul.

14:39 I'm just not doing it. Yeah. I and I have been through, we could write a book, and it would be a best seller, but it would be a lot of really painful stuff that you have to go through before you get to that stage where you say, just think about what has to happen. You and I are massive lovers. We love deeply. That's why we're doing the podcast. We're trying to give people just these are just conversations. We don't want them to be rehearsed and all that stuff. It's just you and I sitting and talking. I mean, we're on our way to New Brunswick and we're throwing a podcast off so that it's ready for next week, because we've got a crazy amount of things to do in the next nine days. But we love being able to talk with you and give you, you know, we had we dropped a podcast yesterday and right away, we had somebody messaged us and say, Oh my God, like, thank you so much for that podcast. You don't know how much, how many times I related to it just today after hearing it. So, you know, this is something we give and I think it's very important and to get back to the topic here, what I do when I go to someone's house or business or whatever, whenever I have to leave my house and go out into the world, I have certain rituals that I do even when

15:55 I'm driving, right? I'm always asking for protection for the four legged beings and the two legged with wings and to keep us protected and all those things. And I really do have a lot of rituals that I do all the time. Before I enter someone's house and I know that they might be somebody that is very narcissistic, whether they're aware of it or not. I I set an intention just like prayer before I walk into their house and I'm a Reiki master teacher. So I have symbols. Sometimes I use those. But I use whatever it's like somebody who believes in the Bible and they use the cross. We all have things that help us, you know, enforce that that energy, right? So we do different things. I know you have your own way of doing things. And I set the intention before I walk in because I know and I have an agreement within myself.

16:47 If things get out of control while I'm here, I need to give myself permission and you and I do this. We talked to each other and we'll say we need to give ourselves permission to say it's okay to leave early. Well, this is that's how you plan like you want to have some sort of plan. If you know if you're if you're in a place of awareness, you've become aware that this person might be, you know, a psychic vampire, you want to have a plan for how you're going to deal with it. If something comes up that you're not uncomfortable with. Yeah. And so, you know, Kim and I, we have decided with a few people in our life that if things start to go sideways, if we start to feel uncomfortable with this person, because you can't some people in your life, you can't just cut them out. Like you have other that can be family friends where it could be somebody that you just can't you know, for whatever reason, you just can't cut them out of your life. So we have a plan for people like that.

17:39 When we start to feel uncomfortable, we literally look at each other and say, Oh, well, it was nice to see you, but we got to go and we leave. Yeah. And we had to come up with that plan. So we felt more comfortable about being with this person or these or people like that. So that's the thing that problem that like the problem I've had, I would say is that which is it's not really a problem. It's a good quality. But I see the best in everybody. And so seeing the best in everybody sometimes means you're not flagged for some of the other things. And you know, Kim, you've had a life that some things happened to you early on. Like you had to you your senses, your instincts were really sharpened by your life, because you had to to survive. Right. So you've been in situations as a child that sharpened those gut instincts, you know, whereas me, I didn't have that challenge early on in my life. So later in life, I it's like throwing throwing a beautiful like a light into the into the wolf den and going like, you know, here you go, try to survive. And so I had some pretty bad relationships in my life

18:55 Because I'd only see the best in this person. And I never had the concept or never had the framework to believe that somebody could hurt me or somebody would want to hurt me. And when some of these relationships started to unravel, and I started to see that I was doing everything. And I was still feeling bad. And I was giving my best and I was still feeling awful. And, you know, I started to see that, Oh, this is a one way street. Like, I'm giving all my energy to this person, and I'm not getting anything back. And I'm depleted now. And not only was I energetically depleted with one particular person, but I was financially depleted. I was spiritually depleted. I was physically depleted. It was like the whole bit I had given this person everything I had. And there was nothing left for myself.

19:50 And the realization that I basically had hit rock bottom myself, yeah, was why I had to pull back. And in the process of just setting boundaries, this person decided they were just like, No, I'm done with you. Because I cut off the source of energy. And they decided to go find somebody else. That's the funny thing about it too is and and honestly, I wish we could get that one a lot sooner, because a lot of these people were talking about we absolutely love or we wouldn't try so hard. Listen, I, I loved her like a sister. Yeah, I felt like she was my my soul counterpart. And and she reinforced all those ideas when it suited her. Right. And then when things started to go south and she was starting to pull me down with her. And I set some boundaries. She just that was it. That was the end of a relationship. And it was quite like it was quite an intense, like quite a close relationship for, you know, those eight years. So, you know, it was big learning for me. It's funny. You're talking about that. And I'm realizing that I have a few of those stories myself. They didn't go on for as long as yours did.

21:03 But you're more keen than I was. Now I know, but I didn't know back then. You know, it's it's funny, though, because when you build yourself the way I've built myself now, it's it's hard because sometimes people look at you because they see the way you cut people out. And they think you're hard. But it's not that you're hard. It's that you've learned from being hurt over and over and over again that you say, Listen, I love you, but I love me more. Yeah. And I'm choosing me over you. You're not gonna let it go that far. Right. And that's that's where I am now like realizing now I have now I have a framework for what this looks like. I see the warning signs. So now it doesn't it doesn't go there anymore. The pattern doesn't repeat because I learned my lesson. Right. And I had to learn that lesson. And so all of us can probably think of somebody like this.

21:54 That's been in been in your life and you've had to learn how to deal with difficult people. And this lesson is one that you if you take it with you, then you're always going to be okay. And you have the power that's that's sort of what I was trying to say earlier is that you yourself you're a divine being. You have the power you need to do the things you need to do for yourself in your highest good. You always will have all the strength you need. If you if your intention is for the highest good, you know, like I've been doing this work for 20 years now almost. And one of the things I love is in the beginning people would come to me and there'd be a lot of venting and I was just new in it. But I was getting profound stuff, right. And I would just say like your energy is so sacred, you have to be so careful, you know, and I would give them I'm like the analogy person. I love throwing analogies at people. But you know, they come in and tell me their story and I'd say, Okay, listen, are you okay with every time you go to your mother's house or your friend's house or whoever they were talking about? And the way I look at this is you're allowing them to puke all over you. So what

23:09 Happens when that happens? It's all over you. So what do you have to do? You got to go get cleaned up. Then you got to deal with how bad they made you feel by doing that and not even thinking about your energy or about you and your life. And I'll tell you something narcissist, or these vampires were talking about, just pay attention because usually they're the ones that when you call them, it's all about them. It's never about you. They don't say, Hey, how are you doing? But you're the one always saying, Hey, how you doing? What's going on? Are you okay? Do you need anything? But they're not doing it to you. I can I can write a list of people down that I know, that I can even go into my messages or and it's always and sometimes I go in for clarity, I'll go, am I missing something? Did I did I forget something? Did I say something I didn't, you know, I shouldn't have said or what? And when I go back, I'll read the messages and go, Oh, confirmation. Okay, good. I was letting myself go down that road to feel bad. And I'm not going to do that now. Exactly. Because we're human. So ask yourself if you're questioning one of your relationships or a couple of your relationships. Do you feel like you're always giving one way street?

24:18 Because that's a good indicator that that relationship is not really that healthy. Well, toxic. And you feel it when you're done with a doesn't matter who you're talking about. If you go somewhere, and you leave and you feel like less than, you know, or, or whatever the feeling is, you get to really look at it and say, what's what's this all about? Well, yeah. And another thing that happens to with this dynamic of, you know, a lot of time, empaths are are paired with psychic media or sorry, psychic vampires. So empaths are often a psychic vampires victim, because they can make you feel for them. They can make you feel bad for them. They got their hook in.

25:05 Yeah, they get their hook in because it makes the empath feel like, Oh, this poor person, if only they could get some help. And then they go, Oh, what if I could help them? Oh, I can help them. And they'll reinforce that idea that you're helping them. And that's how they feed, they feed off you. But it's, it's like, if you start to do really well, and you're having wins in your life, and they can't celebrate the win with you. That's another one. That's a big one. That's a no, that's a big warning sign, because you are gaining traction, power in your life, you know, happiness, happiness, fulfillment, maybe you're having some kind of success or an achievement, and they can't celebrate with you. That is a real clear sign. That's a clear sign you're, you're in a one sided relationship with this person. And what I've found, like, we do have to set intentions, like Kim said, before we're with people, or even before we're with, maybe we have to go to a family gathering or something. That's really important to set the intention that, you know, you're not going to let anybody throw you off, you know, where you want to be, or throw you out of alignment. But the other thing is that, because they question, it makes you

26:20 Question things like it makes you question your, yourself causes you insecurity, you know, it drains your energy. So you feel so drained, you can't even think straight, you know, question yourself on multiple levels. Yeah, because they can do this to you, they kind of put you in a place of like vulnerability and confusion. And then that's kind of when they can strike. So really important that you do set that intention before you're with people, so that you stay strong in what you're doing, set your boundaries, have a plan for how you want things to go. Visualize your your energy, visualize your field being complete and strong and healthy. And what what can happen sometimes is they'll get you with your with sympathy. So so maybe they have this terrible health problem that they need to tell you all about. And then when you try to connect with them and say, Oh, my gosh, I've been through that, they minimize your problem and maximize theirs, right? So they try to get you with this like sympathy thing, right? And and it'll bring your energy down. And before you know it, you're complaining about all your health problems, because you're trying to compete with with what they're saying. But it's like this dynamic that's

27:36 Set up. And it's all in the end, it all comes back to that energy level. I remember actually some conversations here, we've been together almost 10 years. And I can remember some conversations where you would be in this exact situation. And then something would happen and you'd get off the phone or you'd come back from wherever you were and whatever was going on. And you'd look at me and go, I did it again. And I'd say, what? You said, I let them take me down that road. And I talked just like them. And now I'm like, Ah, why? Yeah, because it's a habit. Yeah, it is a habit. And we get so used to our habits. And I think you're programming. Yes, the programming. And I think that's the beauty of where we're at in life right now. You know, we live a very, we live a very busy life, but we also live a very calm life in some ways because we work for ourselves. So we work from home. So we can control our environment to a certain degree. But there, there's still are lots of factors we have to deal with all the time. And we do have like times that are crazy, crazy, busy.

28:41 Yeah. And so we do, we do very well with that. Here's how here's how I know that a psychic vampire has entered my life. I'll just go through some stuff because sometimes or or this could be a psychic vampire that is attempting to to draw your energy in the spiritual field. It's a little bit different in the way that I feel like most psychic vampires are aware of what they're doing. They understand energy and they want to take yours. So here's some of the things that can show up before maybe before you have the awareness that the person is in your life trying to do this. So so as I said earlier, like you, you might have some physical symptoms, like you might have a headache, you might be tired, feel sick, feel sick, nauseous, dizzy, you know, that kind of thing.

29:31 But then if that's paired with foggy thoughts, negative thinking, if it's paired with sleep problems, like you're having a hard time sleeping, you're waking up at night, maybe relationship strain or miscommunication with within your, you know, intimate relationships, and some detachment feelings, like you're just feeling like I don't care about anything, or you're having a lot of blockages and obstacles in your life, then what you want to do, if all of these things are happening, I want you to take a minute to check in with your energy field and ask, ask your energy the question, is this mine? Is this my lesson? Or is this someone else? Is this someone else trying to interfere with my energy field? Because your energy field, your, your body, your intuition will answer you. And then when you realize it's somebody else, then there's energy things you can do. Now people in the, this is why there's the unaware psychic vampire and there's the aware and the unaware are fairly easy to deal with because we, we talked about that, like setting an intention, making a plan for before you see them having good boundaries enforcing your boundaries,

30:48 You know, and if they're not happy with your boundaries, it's because you having boundaries doesn't serve them anymore. So you got to, you got to pay attention to that. But then the unaware, the or sorry, the I said that wrong, where the aware psychic vampire are the people that are intentfully throwing energy darts at you to hurt you or to take your energy. And I want to get down. I want to talk about that because we're getting close to Halloween. Right. Everybody thinks about curses and, you know, pin dolls, which I just love how people give their power away. And that's exactly it. You just hit the nail on the head. Do not give your power away to these things. Cards, pendulums, candles, we do boards, we do boards, curses. They have only the energy that you give them.

31:41 Right. That's all they have. So if you do not believe in a curse, it cannot hurt you. Right. If you don't believe in negative energy, like I've never been the person to worry about protecting myself in a way that, oh, dark forces are going to get me or, or, you know, I just, I don't have that kind of energy. Funny thing, somebody gave us a friend of ours gave us, as a joke, mind you, gave us a voodoo doll a few years ago. I'm telling you, I don't know what it is about this little doll, but I just think it's the cutest thing ever. It is cute. It's looks like a little mummy. Yeah. And it looks like it has a little life of its own and it's got weird button eyes that are different sizes and everything. I just look at it like, oh my God, you're so cute. It doesn't connect with any person at all. So it's powerless.

32:27 Yeah. I actually keep it in my dash because they gave it to me and I keep it in the dash and I don't the only reason I don't take it out is because other people would take it the wrong way and give it energy. So it's, it's in my car. It was given to me. I keep it in the dash and I actually, I have to use it for something. So I say, oh, you well, guess what? Your, your job is to keep me protected while I'm driving. So it has a purpose. Right. It has a purpose. And by the way, if you come into contact with these things and you want to get rid of them, you want to get rid of a Ouija board, you want to get rid of a stick doll, something that has you think that I always say, use a ceremony, do a little ceremony. You can bless the object, but I go back to some of my Celtic roots and I know the only way to really dispel energy is to burn something or bury it. Right. So pick one or the other and do a little ceremony around it, but thank it and say goodbye, you know. Yeah.

33:26 And I just thought of that just because we were talking about these things and because it's Halloween, but well, Halloween ramps up the energy because people do allow themselves to get caught up in fear. And I want to just I want to touch on something before I forget. But when you were talking about aware people being aware and unaware, my opinion is that I always love working more with the people that are unaware because it's almost like working with a skeptic. You can turn them into a believer in one aha moment. So when people aren't aware, they're very just night in my opinion and my experience. I feel like unaware people are just somebody who just doesn't know it yet. Yeah, they haven't had the experience yet. They're not trying to be.

34:12 They're not full blown narcissists. They're just somebody who's unawakened, unaware. But when they have the awareness, that's one thing I love about our work. If you're if you're working with somebody that's a skeptic or we're working with somebody that's unaware, when you give them that little piece of positive or the information that they never had before, give them a new perspective. They're they're like they're changed in the moment. That's right. Whereas if somebody is aware of their behavior and they know what they're doing, they're a pro at it. Yeah. And it's their job. It is there. This is where we get into the right spiritual. Sorry, I just had to. It was coming up and I was like, ah, I'm glad you remember that. I'm glad you made the point.

34:58 Also about the psychic attacks, it's like a sudden thing. It's like we'll come on very suddenly. Yeah, that's a point that we made earlier that you could be feeling fine. And then all of a sudden, so pay attention to those. But the spiritual people that are throwing bad things in your direction, bad intention. And this we talk with people talk about like curses and the evil eye and, you know, black magic and dream manipulation and spirit attachment and telepathic attacks. And you have to believe it for it to work. That's a thing. Do not give it power. And if it happens to you, you can very easily switch the power around and you can say, I'm a divine being. I'm more powerful than this, whatever this is.

35:45 And I put myself in alignment in the highest good with the highest good of all involved. And it will switch your energy right away because you're not giving that little that little bug, that little fly that's pestering you. You're not giving it any energy. So it's just going to fly away. It's not getting anything from you. But when you start to feed these things with fear, they get a lot worse. And you have to understand in this field psychic field, I get a lot of messages from people that feel like they've been cursed. They they've had bad luck. You know, what can I do? And this is a very mental process because when you switch your mental thinking, then you're not in the place anymore where you're allowing the energy in.

36:35 So you have to work on your thoughts. You have to. You have to work on your thoughts and know that you are strong and that nothing bad can ever happen to you unless you've let it. And you're a divine being. You're connected to the most beautiful, incredible energy there ever could be. And that's God source energy. And I go with whatever your belief is. Absolutely. Like if it helps you, if it makes you feel better to have to use holy water or to smudge or or use a cross or like whatever your belief is, I wherever the energy is, I feel like you should use it as long as it's in your highest good to use it.

37:21 And we do a lot of ceremonial stuff ourselves. Like Laura and I use, I mean, I make all my own products, but I have like a white sage spray. I have an energy clearing spray and they're both used for the same thing. We we use salt around the property. We use sage and sweet grass and cedar. I mean, God, it was only a couple of weeks ago. I was doing a full cleanse on myself and the property and I always do a cleanse. But then I do a ritual to bring in so cleansing and then bringing in the positive energy. So I took a cedar bath. I literally went to my cedar hedge and I was trimming it and I'm I'm just I'm just that person. And I filled the bed, the bathtub with cedar and I had a bath and I cleanse myself and I went back out and did a ritual on the property where I gifted the land tobacco and had sage and did the whole thing.

38:14 And we usually do fire. We do cord cutting. We have done lots of rituals and we continue to do them if we feel like we need them. And it's just it's something we do because everything is energy. And we've had people in the spiritual community that were narcissists and they think that, oh, you know, you got to cross your leg this way and you got it that way. And a spiritual person wouldn't have a glass of wine or or do a human thing like this is absolutely ludicrous. Some of the things people think one of the this is interesting because I believe that we are very protected every absolutely. I believe that like we don't need to put up a lot of protection ourselves because if we are so focused on protection, it means that we're fearful, right?

39:03 And the fear is what can let things in. If you believe that you are protected and you don't put a lot of focus on that, then you actually can fare better in the energy spirit world. Absolutely. And so I believe that my guides might let something sneak through for me to learn. So I have had some very paranormal experiences that we're going to talk about next week because I feel like I have a varied experience, a varied purpose. And I know I'm supposed to work in not just the flowery, fluffy spirit world, but I'm supposed to work down and dirty with some of the lower vibrations sometimes. And so I've been taught things. My guides have let some things happen to me that somebody else would perceive as very scary.

39:52 But every single time I learned how to take my power back. And so now I have my my strength and my power. And I know that these things can affect me. Right. Now, this time of year, the veil is thin. And what does that mean? That means that there are many, many believers. Many people thinking about the spirit world, thinking about ghosts, thinking about apparitions, thinking about paranormal things, thinking about horror. And so this time of year, people are more the energy is stronger. So it's almost like we're more susceptible because we're more aware, we're paying more attention. And and we talk about this veil, like it's like there is a difference between this world and the next. And there really isn't. We're all just in different vibrational frequencies, but in the exact same place, you know, in the same place and time kind of thing.

40:44 So I have learned how to take my power back. And I feel like that is if this is happening to you, if you're experiencing you have somebody in your life who's a psychic vampire, the best remedy is to find a way to take your power back. Right. And so what would you do? Like, what would you do, Kim, if you were if you realized you were in this situation, what would you do to take your power back? Well, number one, I would like there's a there's a part of me that disconnects my energy from nerves. And usually I talk about heart center because that's where I think we're all connected, no matter what is where we're hit. We're hooked into that heart feeling, right. But for me, I I know I'm very aware of many times I've been in contact with different people and I pull myself back.

41:33 I I literally in my head, I'm imagining like big scissors cutting my connection with them off and I allow their energy to be kind of brought back to them and mine to come in. So it's almost like I pull my my life force energy, my my auric energy, I guess, in. And I would there's times that when I leave someone's house, I literally will jump up and down a little bit, like, oh, kind of give myself a little bit of a shake off because I do feel it. It's a literal physical thing that's happening. But there's there's just multiple things that I do. And so sage is a big thing for me, too. There's something about there's something about sage when I smell it. And here's here's how you know, you're not the only crazy person that feels that way.

42:21 Laura has two children and one of them hates the smell of it. And the other one is like me. They'll be like, oh, the Kimmy sage, like, what's that smell? I love that smell. It makes me feel good. So there's a physiology like there's a component to it that you literally feel yourself. Like feeling like you're cleaning yourself. It's like taking a shower. That's the way I look at these things. I sage is like taking a shower. It's your energy. Right. Sitting around the fire is the same thing. When I sit around the fire, it feels like all the junk in the trunk is like being shook out into the earth and the earth will refurbish it. So we had a 50 50 year drought, like the worst drought in 50 years in Nova Scotia. So we've had a fireman all summer and it has been so hard on us.

43:09 We we we need our fire. I mean, we have our podcast flame, you know, but we have a little candle that we light and then we burn the sage and go, oh, it's not the same. Well, we need we're craving like an outdoor like a bonfire. But we will be able to do that someday, but just maybe not right now because we it hasn't rained. It's funny you asked me what I do and I think about this one person that it was years ago, but I love them so much and something went wrong and they said something and I thought, wow, am I ever this is not exactly what I was thinking our relationship was. And and then they gave me all these things. And, you know, I'm sure they were feeding me. Yeah. And I I wasn't expecting it.

43:55 It really took me off guard because I'm a really, really good judge of character. And I read people pretty quickly. Um, but they they got me good. And what I did was every single thing that had to do with this person, I packed it up in a box. But I like I'm very careful with energy. I even wrote them a beautiful note and said, I'm really grateful for all the good we had together. But I wanted everything that had connected us to be given back. And that's not the same in every situation. In some situations, you can just give something away and get rid of it, repurpose it or whatever. But sometimes there are those times when you have to completely give all those pieces back because they were given to you with a certain intention.

44:43 And I think they were trying to maybe feed my ego a little bit. And I I was aware of it. But what do you do when people want to give you things and they're talking up to you, right? So but the second I didn't do something the way they wanted. Oh, boy. Yeah. Was it and and it really threw me off. But I'm really lucky. I have some really good friends in my life that always kind of say the thing I need to hear. Yeah. And I and I also have you. So, you know, we're we're good for each other that way. So I guess what what do you do when you feel like you're being because let's be honest in your field, you get a lot more than I do. Well, you know what, with I would say with people that are just like kind of popping into my life, like just like a little bit here and there.

45:30 I just have good boundaries now. Like I have much better boundaries than I used to have. And I get lots of emails and questions where people just want to ask me to use my ability to answer their questions. And I have to have a boundary that that's how I make my living. So you can book a reading and I would certainly help you. But I I can't, you know, I can't answer everyone's questions. You'd never be able to work. People don't understand like I I pay to to produce a newsletter so that I can give back that way. Kim and I pay we have expenses for our podcast at this time. But it's it's, you know, we don't get any money for doing this, you know. So we have different things that we do to give back, you know. And that is my offering, you know, to the universe and to people.

46:20 And we do things that nobody knows about. Oh, absolutely. There's people that have kids and people that have been terminally ill. And Laura and I will just intuitively feel like we're going to go to the hospital and work on this person or there's somebody that we know is struggling and we quietly will do stuff for them. So that spirit will tell us right like that. You you need to gift this to this person. And so many times we have the message from spirit that this is to be gifted. Oh, absolutely. And we do that. And there some of them are not cheap things. No, but when we when we're told by spirit to do something, this is one thing I feel a hundred percent confident in is that I have trained myself and believe me, I have. You know, I've put my head right through the wall a few many, many times to learn the lesson.

47:09 But I've trained myself to not give at the cost of myself. Well, that's another boundary. And that is another way you can lose energy in this work by giving, giving, giving and not having enough for yourself. And we've learned that the hard way. So that is another thing that happens. I do have very good boundaries now as far as work's concerned, still working on my personal boundaries with my children and my family. But, you know, that's a work in progress. That's a work in progress. But I would say the biggest thing that's helped me with psychic vampires is turning the tables. I like to call it turning the tables. And what I do is to your point of having gratitude and when you're ending a relationship or you're ending a situation to have gratitude.

48:00 So I first of all forgive the person and then I give thanks because there is always a lesson. There's always a lesson in those experiences. And the friend that I talked about earlier, I might not be in this work if it wasn't for her. So I can't be, I can't be upset about my past because my past has shaped me and made me this person that I love. And so I let go of anger with her a long time ago. And I said, thank you. I said, thank you for showing me truly who I am and showing me this lesson that I need to learn so badly. She was a teacher and whether I liked what she was teaching doesn't at the time doesn't really matter.

48:47 She did teach me a lot and I'm very grateful to her and always will be grateful to her soul. So that's where I took my power back because I no longer have negative emotions towards her. I wish her well. And I think that the beauty of life is that there's multiple, multiple things that happen to us in our life that they happen to shape us. Like I can look at my life and I could be on either side of it. But the truth is, I'm very grateful for all the hardships and the things that were hard. And some of our teachers, like they could be the best teacher ever. But there's somebody you don't want to be anything like. No. And listen.

49:32 So, you know, that's a tricky part of it is the key to this is what I've noticed that Kim is so good at. And again, I think I'm a work in progress, but she I mean, she has kind of gotten to this place where she has so much self love that she's not allowing anybody to take away that love for herself. But that came at a high price because I can tell you that there was multiple times. I've had lots of experience with depression and it was more being the observer of it. But I did have it myself. There was a very short span. And I think it's really healthy to experience all our emotions. But I I hated it. It wasn't a natural way of being for me, but it was me always trying to help and be everyone else's everything.

50:20 But I wasn't being my anything. And I just couldn't do that anymore. And because I had developed such a close relationship to, you know, you can call it whatever you want, but God consciousness, I love, love, love who I am and where I am in my life. And I will do whatever I have to do to protect that. And that's the thing like through your experience. I mean, you you learn things, you learn how to protect your energy fields. You learn how you feel about things. I feel like I'm learning as I as I go. And I feel like I've gotten to a place where I've really can see now like I can see my I'm aware of my own reactions. I'm aware of how I feel. And I'm facing issues now with love and compassion.

51:07 Whereas before it was like you put up walls and protection and you try to push people away and you're like, Oh, my God, what do I do? And it's panic and it's fear. I don't have that anymore. What I have is a piece. I have no fear when it comes to how people in my life because I know they can't take anything for me that I'm not willing to give. Right. And, you know, I I love this person that I've become so I can't hate on anything or anybody from my past. And I love that because that's exactly how I feel. There's there's lots of people in my life that have like, it's been really, really hard and challenging with. But I think the truth is you really love them. Yeah. And because you love them, you go, you know what? I can't do this anymore because it just every time it feels like this very dysfunctional gathering or or conversation or exchange that you just go, you know what?

52:04 It's easier for me to sit here and say, you know what? I love you and I'm going to love you from a distance because it's just too hard. And I think that's the difference between the the narcissist is like they just want to be angry. They just want to be in control at whatever cost. But when you're an empath, it's like you just say, listen, I I just I can no longer give my beautiful life. Life force energy to something that isn't for a higher good. Exactly. And that's the thing. It sounds weird, right? To say love your vampire. But I really think that is the answer. Yeah. If you can't find it within yourself, if you've become so depleted and so tired and you don't have personal love for the person for the psychic vampire that's done this to you, then ask for universal love to come through you for that person.

53:01 You don't have to take from yourself to do this. It doesn't take much to have patience, compassion and understanding for somebody who doesn't know what they're doing. They don't know they've done this. They're just trying to survive like everybody else. And this is how they have. This is how they have survived all these years. You know, they've found a way to take from other people. And maybe they don't even know they're doing it. So this is about you having compassion and love and understanding and patience for yourself and for others. And looking at your vampire and saying, I don't like what you did. Right. But I send you love from the universe. And I challenge people like in this moment, we're right at the we're almost done here today. And challenge yourself to try some of the things we've talked about today because it's it will blow your mind.

53:52 You'll start feeling like, wow, I have more energy. I want to do your you're looking at doing more things like you go to the beach and you go, holy God, it makes me feel better. I went for a walk and I feel cleansed and you pay attention. And the more you pay attention, the easier these changes are. Yeah. And before you know it, you're like, wow, I don't feel the same way and I can deal with that better. And you start implementing more and more change. And let's be honest. Twenty twenty five, I know a lot of people hated it. But for me, it has been the best year that I have ever had. And there's a lot of really I'm not going to get into it, but I'm going to say it. I'm going to talk above it, I guess. But there's a lot of things going on in the world right now. So there's a lot of vampires out there.

54:39 And it's the same thing with the radio and the news and all that. I guarantee you and I am saying this, try it. Challenge yourself to make these little changes. Stop watching the news, stop reading about all the negative because we've become a world where we have given the ignorant a voice. And until we rise up above it, it's going to be like we're in the trenches and all this, there's a whole pile of vampires, you know, but you got to get out of it. You got to get past it. And it's really important to start realizing our homes, are where we come to when we're done working and done traveling or done whatever. And it needs to be sacred and our connections to the people that are closest to us.

55:26 They are sacred. However, not everybody has good relationships. And it's so important to keep yourself good. And it's so important to not attach yourself to these negative energies, no matter who they are, no matter what it's about. Well, and that's so such good advice. And I think this whole thing we, Kim and I, we've noticed like we've been working on our businesses for a long time. We've noticed that we're becoming more popular, more people know who we are. And I just feel like the best thing you can we can do is as we move forward and people are sending energy our way, good and bad, you know, we don't know. Love your haters. Yeah, because you can send them love.

56:13 It doesn't have to be from you. Stand up for yourself. But if you can send love, if you can rise above, that's where all the true power is. The true power and energy is in that there is no greater vibration than love. Mm hmm. And that that's why forgiveness is never about the person that's done the act. It's about the person that is the person like the victim in a sense. Right? Sorry. Why just flew? Have you done? Where'd that flying come from? I know. Being attacked. I don't know. Hopefully it's not a mosquito, another another bloodsucker. No. Oh, God, what I was going to say. Sorry about that. It just literally was trying to fly up my nose. So much fun. I want to say something before we finish and maybe you'll remember.

57:02 But I want to say thank you to everybody listening. We've had some really incredible comments about the podcast and that's what we live for, right? That's why we're doing it. But we also want to know what do you want us to talk about? Because we care. We're here for you. And also we're thinking about even doing some live events where and I don't know exactly. Laura's better at that part to me call in event. Yeah, or where you can message us and kind of have some interaction. So we're we're we're new at this. We're very excited. We're having very good feedback. We want to get more people following us and downloading because that's what we need. But we also want to know what do you want to talk about?

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58:35 Next week, we're talking about paranormal. Events and maybe some ghostly stories. So I hope you tune into that episode on Wednesday next week right before Halloween. We'll see you then. See you. If you're interested in contacting Kim for Soul Awakening Coaching, please contact her at mksoulcoaching.com. If you'd like to check out my website and everything that I do, please go to laurawarrenmedium.com.