Soulmates or Twin Flames?

0:10 Hello, I'm Kimberly and I'm Laura and today we're talking about twin flames versus soul mates Yeah, so we really want to talk about the difference because we don't really know what we are We're twin flames that are soul mates or soul mates that are twins. I just think maybe so much better than that well, we were talking about this before we started and The the definition of a twin flame kind of bugs me So so I read it and I went well, yeah, like some of these things fit, but it doesn't all fit So the definition of a twin flame is one soul split into two and then into two lives like two physical lives And then you meet right so that's one soul split in two bodies, but somehow and some cosmic, you know Collision you meet your twin flame I would say that the way we met was like a cosmic collision Yes, I would say so. I think knowing that our relationship is so good and and obviously the growth that we've had Being together so good, you know, it it makes me want to tell all of the little details about how we met in the sense of

1:28 How tsunami like it was well, and you know and just because we were both women that were in relationships with men for with me I met my ex when I was 15 and so did Laura. Yeah, I met my ex at 15 Yeah, and I was with him for four years and then we got married and we were married for 28 years when I left and Laura Yeah, so actually I was thinking while we were talking and I met my ex when I was 13 but we didn't actually start dating and right until right before my 15th birthday, right so pretty close Yeah, and then we were together for 22 years total married for 13, right? So, you know that that's some similarities and when Laura and I were in our Families like when we were young my family were very much into religion more so my mom my dad was Catholic Mom was Protestant But we were very much into it and even when I was a young mother. I was into it You know as much as I could be I will study in the whole thing. I loved God Still love God just doesn't have the same look to me anymore. Yeah, so I've studied more so we're doing this back and forth Right, all right, right. So so my side is that I grew up Catholic

2:43 And I was led because I think my mom was a lot stricter with me but I was the oldest and I was led through, you know all the sacraments and Became an adult in the church and then was given more responsibility. So We've talked about this on another podcast when we talked about religion, but Basically, I did everything in the church that a female can do other than become a nun So I did everything possible before I ended up leaving the church and The way I left was kind of funny and actually we can relate on this one and I'll throw it back to you in a second but my oldest I was trying to get them baptized and I was running into all these problems like I was like in the end I was like does the Catholic Church not want my child because I couldn't figure out why this was so hard, you know They made me take a course. They made me take a test. I was like, I don't know anybody that has to do this stuff Why do I have like I didn't understand and then I was trying to get them baptized in one church And they said no you can't do it here because you don't live in the within the church boundary So then I went to another church and they said well No, you can't do it here because you went to that other church for so long So then I went to another church and they said no still not in the boundary

4:01 So then I went back to my original church and he said listen He said I'm just gonna fudge this a bit and we're gonna do it because by this time my oldest was 18 months old So who like okay viewers out there I'm sure if you know anything about the Catholic faith people are running their babies into the church to get them baptized like Early, you know two months old. So I don't know what was going on. Obviously the universe didn't want me to do this Jesus was 33 come on. What's the rush and so now I'm gonna throw it back to you because Because your daughter Amanda is the one that gave you a big revelation Well, I think the thing with me was always I remember working on one of my clients and You know them asking me about all of this and and I basically said well I'm not baptized and my children aren't baptized. Well, she sat up on the table as if aren't you scared and I said Yeah, that's exactly right and I said well, I'm not worried about that. It makes no sense to me Um, I've done a lot of study and and you and I have looked at a lot of theology. We we love studying things I mean, it's it's one of my things. I love about being together But I never was baptized and my mom said

5:17 Is as strict as my mother was and believe me she was strict Um, but I love that about her now looking back because I'm so grateful that I had that stability, you know But my mother was um, Protestant and she said I thought that you guys should Grow up and join your own religion your own church and make that decision on your own I didn't feel like it was right To baptize you right off the bat when you didn't even know who you were going to be or or what you would believe in Which I think was that incredibly right and incredibly strong in the time. She was always very strong So and then I took on that same idea I didn't want my kids to be baptized and and for the sake of what the fear That just never made sense to me Um, and and like I said, I you know, my daughter was I think she was a 13 And my nephew was being baptized and she was crawling like I mean physically Uncomfortable sitting in the church that day and it was the first time she had been to church I think I don't know if she's ever I've never taken her to church because I I fell out of believing The way I used to believe as I I got older and started studying more and when I became an awakened soul

6:35 Into this work it it massively shifted my perception of things so But uh, I took her to church and I know I've talked about this another podcast But I'll I'll be quick. She basically came with us We we tried to do it as a family to support my brother and his wife with their their baby and stuff and So we went and when we left my daughter We were talking about, you know, we were supposed to go for a couple times just to be supportive And my daughter looked at me and she said We're going back there and I said Well, well, yes, we might why you have a problem with this and she said Well, I don't want to go back And she said do I have to and I looked at her seriously and I said if you can tell me the truth as to why you don't want to go Then you don't have to go. She said seriously. I said, yeah, and I was always that kind of parent And it didn't matter what we were talking about. So She looked at me and she said, did you hear the sermon? I said, yes, I heard the sermon She said, did you hear what the pastor was saying about the people that weren't there this Sunday?

7:42 And I said, yes, I did hear and I but I wanted her I wanted to hear from her Right and she said, well, they were talking about all the people that weren't there this week She said but some of them were For the cure for cancer. They were on the walk. Yeah. So that's the only reason they weren't there And my daughter just thought that they were so hypocritical She did not she said, what would they say if I wasn't here? And I thought what a great point for a 13 year old kid to understand that It it felt so hypocritical to her. Yeah, and it didn't feel warm and inviting. No, so That was a good lesson for me and I just looked her and said, okay, you don't have to go. She said really I said That's right. I always promoted my kids being able to talk to me and always being honest with me So that was a big that was a big moment. Well, I mean, I had a spiritual awakening Around the time that I was pregnant with my first and I was, you know Trying to I was still trying to do all the things that I thought I should do So I was still, you know going to church and things but It was starting to change like I was starting to see things differently And then by the time I had my second child I was completely done. I was like, this is not for me and I remember My mom calling me and she really at the time now a lot of things have changed disclaimer. So mom if you're listening

9:05 I I realized you don't feel this way anymore, but At the time I wasn't getting my son baptized And my mom was so upset and she kept asking me about it and asking me and finally I said Okay, mom. I said Sunday at 2 p.m. Come to my house. I got the backyard pool I've heard this one's laughing sorry and I'll baptize him in the backyard. I can do it myself My mom was like Zipped or she didn't say anything else about baptism after that. She was like, nope. Okay. I get it Well, I always use jesus, right? I said well if he was 33 then You know, I'll just go out to the ocean and somebody can dip my head But I dip in enough so I feel like I'm good. Yeah, no and see here's a here's the thing is it's all about intention And we know that now it's it's not about the building you're in it's not about the person's doing it It's not even about what you're doing. It's it's your intention and what you're asking of the universe So, you know, it's it's just so funny all the things that we had gone through the two of us And didn't we had so much and still it's so funny to this day I feel like we still talk about things And we share things with each other and we're like, oh my god, that happened to me too Like we've been together 10 years and it's still happening

10:24 But I know like We had like kind of a similar background I would say like I know your parents were kind of on their way up as far as business and income And my parents were middle class and we we kind of could relate with that and we both had kind of Similar experiences. We both live in the Maritimes You know, there was a but there was a lot of things and then we had both had spiritual awakenings And we were both like really excited about You know what that meant for us and our lives and what we were doing and helping people and empowering people And our mission together just felt so good And and originally, you know when we met I say we were really drawn to each other, but we didn't really understand it Absolutely because you were only ever with one man Yeah, I was only ever with one man and I think from what I heard from you is that neither one of us like You know, I'm six feet tall back then I was quite the athlete and jock and I was in incredible shape and I had Men and women all over me, but I never realized what it meant Like I I didn't pay attention to it didn't mean anything to me and I wasn't attracted to anybody I was very attracted to my husband in the beginning. Obviously

11:41 I would never have been with him But the thing about with you was I had had a vision in 2006 And that exact vision Came true when I met you and we were together So, you know, you you don't that stuff is like The synchronicity of that is just incredible to me and there's a whole story and book around that And I I won't get into it because that's not what this is about today but we were I already was pre Programmed in a sense, you know and another thing that happened to me is and this is a really funny thing actually, but Um, I love doing the podcast because I can be exactly myself and so many times in my life I haven't been able to but I used to have this recurring dream And I was smarter than you know, I obviously thought I was But in the dream it was very futuristic But also from a long long time ago So I kept dreaming that I was running through this life looking for this person And every time I'd find them they'd slip away from me and and I don't mean slip away I mean something would happen that I couldn't find them again. I couldn't get to them And it was so profound and it was just like intensity

12:59 And then I met you And the dream stopped, right? But still this intensity of knowing this person and and I can say today the thing I you know, there's so many things I love about us, but thinking the same wanting the same things for the universe You know, we both care so deeply about humanity and And in spirituality in a way that everyone is welcome There is no judgment and you know and it's judgment is very human But it just was right off the bat. I just felt this Home with you. Yeah, it felt like when we were together. I felt like home. It felt like I I knew it. I understood it And so much of my life I really spent looking around at people going Who are you and where where did you come from because you certainly didn't come from the same planet as me because I just do not think like you do and I would I would see the hurt in the world and how people were hurting each other and not listening and It just felt so dysfunctional to me And then when I met you and the way we loved each other and the way we communicated together Just felt like something and and I still say to this day to friends You know because everybody wants to put a name on our relationship and I just said

14:17 Our connection is galactic because it's way bigger than this universe Yes, so When we were trying to figure out what we were and we were trying to figure out like we were talking with this Before the podcast because we've said, you know, we've often said yeah, like we're twin flames and all that but and we have some of the qualities like Like that we just talked about some shared experiences and you know, we had similar experiences with our spiritual awakenings We had similar experiences Where we could explain past lives and then you know, we'd start talking and saying oh my god that this past life This is what I I saw and then Kim would be like, yeah that I saw the same thing So we knew we were in many past lives together We had many shared experiences and it was all being confirmed And so you could say we have the mirroring part kind of checked, you know, um, also We since we met am perry, we've been, you know, looking at our numerology and we just went to her workshop on the weekend And her workshop was about compatibility Yet using numerology to figure out your compatibility with your partner Well, it's kind of hard for us to analyze too much because we are both 14 fives Right

15:33 So us both being 14 fives can be great It can be overwhelming at times because we do push each other to be better You know, we we we expect a lot of each other But yeah, our numerology is similar. We have similar ideas about life and family and love So I think we got that mirroring thing down pat Deeply connected We're deeply connected um deeply connected to the point where I'd say we have had telepathic experiences with each other Many, you know, we when we both so when I met Kim I trained in Reiki and reflexology And I guess I did that so that I could do treatments on kimberley and she could do treatments on me because I don't really Treat other people energetically Um, I have used Reiki in the past, but it's not a regular on a regular basis But we share we can we can actually do energy healing on each other And the energy healing is so much more effective because we trust each other and That That piece is kind of important for our connection. Like I feel like we actually crave that Need to have that connection. Yeah, and then there's also like of course, you know, what are we here for growth?

16:56 Self evolution, you know Got to do the healing piece working and and one of like twin flames often I think this is awesome because you have a different perspective than me I I love how you are about things. It's like, oh This is so annoying, right and I'm like, I love it. We're here to do this work What are we here? We're here to do the work and go home. That's it I look at the whole stage of like growth though as this fun game. I know I'm a little weird I'm just being a little bit funny like I know I love you know, I love I feel like I'm the eternal student Absolutely, and you know, I love soul growth, but we're when we're on The thing about this having choosing to be in this relationship means that we both have to agree to continuous growth Which sometimes is exhausting. Okay shifting shift shift. Oh, just had to download just out of shift shift If I sound a little annoyed, it's because I'm just tired. Okay Life has to throw at you right our relationship. Absolutely. There's not a doubt in my mind And I think I've had this vision so many times that You know, we're if I if I rounded it up in a nutshell here I would say that I'm so grateful to have this love

18:13 And equally It's not just the connection we have it's the connection that we have to the universe And it makes me I just love the fact that knowing Being together means we can complete what we chose to do in this life because we will not let each other And I'm way more aggressive than you. I I'll apologize for that because I am the type that it's like If you don't move forward, you're gonna slow me down. So yeah, I don't want to be slowed down No, no, I'm gonna let you Come back, but for me, it's like When it's right there and it's right there and it's right there. Well, it's right there for me because I'm in a different place I'm 11 years older. I've been through. So sometimes I need to be more patient Letting you get to where you're you're going. So this is me being, you know, open and honest, but that's my personality I I am a big energy. I am um, what do you say sometime? I'm intense You know, and sometimes that is absolutely wonderful And it's a good thing, but sometimes it is not easy. Well, I'll tell you That love this I am not a person that gives up. No, so I'm in it for the long game

19:30 You know, this is this is like We're not doing these little bits and pieces like I'm if I'm in it. I'm 100% in it And so that's one thing about you Since being with you that I've seen how important it is For me as a person to be with somebody who can mirror back to me What that growth looks like and what I need what I where I need to go because I feel like Your your spouse your partner the person that you're you spend the most time with Really should be person that a person that brings out the best in you always and that's something I can say 100% about you is that you always bring out the best of me And you're always there 100% for me whatever I need and That is huge not a lot of people have that mirror A mirroring book you could say it's a it's a mirror, you know, it's a net when I need to be caught You know, like it's a whole bunch of things, but we have we have this You know Connection that we know we're so comfortable with each other that we we can be angry with each other And we can be okay too like we know we're gonna we're gonna make up and it's gonna be okay Obviously, you don't don't treat your partner badly. I'm not I'm not I'm not endorsing that we don't do that

20:52 But you know, if there's something that I'm upset about or Kim's upset about we know that we can share it And it's not gonna like break us up or anything or you know, nobody's gonna have sore feelings afterwards We can work things out and we can really come to a good place It's a gift It really is a gift and this is why I'm like I have talked to so many people That are in twin flame relationships and let me tell you for the most part they are awful They are I I mean like think about this So they're saying a twin flame is two parts of the same soul That doesn't sound fun to me. I just don't like and I don't relate to that part of it But when we look at all the qualities we have a lot of the qualities of an eye Another one that we have is separation reunion As we're doing this podcast I am leaving early early in the morning to go to new brunswick for a week without my wife And she does not like that. You know, she doesn't like being without me And I I think it's cute that even you know, the her youngest hill always say, where's kimmy I don't like it when she's not here. He doesn't well It's it's because I'm a big energy and I fill the house with a calm, you know

22:08 And I know he feels better when I'm here because of that So well, they talk about this like Like they when when I was kind of looking through all my notes on this One of the things that came up was this runner chaser dynamic And I see twin flames do this. I do Um And of course you would because if you were with somebody that was constantly challenging you and pushing you Like you might be you might try to get away from them now and then you might be a little hard And then you know, and then there's the the idea that oh no, I can't lose that I must go after them again So I get that But we don't really have the runner chaser dynamic because we would spend Every moment of every day together if we could Yeah, and easily But we have forced separation that I see imposed by the universe right because The way that everything worked out for us My kids in one province. I you know, I'm with my kids So we have a host in one province, but Kim's work couldn't be all completely transferred to this province She has a lot of clients in new brunswick. So in order for her to keep her work keep her business She has to travel to new brunswick to work. So that that's something the universe has like

23:27 Like employed on us like if like injected in there like we didn't cause that issue and You know Kim and I have always Said that our work Is such a big part of who we are because it's like our our life purpose our sole purpose. So You know, the universe knows she's not supposed to give up her work No, like it's it's important, right and I'm not supposed to give up my kids So we have these imposed separations and every single time that Kim is gone I go through some major personal shift Every single time it's like when she says that she's my protector She really is my protector because when she's not around I'm telling you stuff goes haywire like and it's things I never expect like they just come out of the blue like um well The one of the first time she left me in this house A squirrel got into the wall And had babies And the squirrel was trying to get into the house through the heat pump and I'm here by myself and I'm like I don't know what to do. Should I bang on the heat pump? Should I like uh Get out of the wall squirrel, please And I told you to put a loudspeaker up and no come out and it did you did Oh my god, the poor squirrels flew out of the wall on the other side when I turned on music. Oh, anyway

24:48 That's that's another story for another day poor squirrels. Well for you because for you Is empathic as you are I grew up differently than you so oh and I some things are I'm like I don't want to kill them Right, you know, yeah, and I don't want to kill them either But if when it comes down to me or you like I I love squirrels. I feed birds all the time I I absolutely love the earth but well, I don't think you love squirrels But no, I was just gonna say squirrels are like a rat to me because they are They empty my feeders in a couple hours and then all my beautiful birds and I'm trying to be Equally as nice to them, but sometimes it's hard because they make it hard. Yeah, like we appreciate them I love them as a living being but they're annoying, but it's like if I get a mouse in my house I'm sorry. You're you're getting out. Oh and I tried that was the other thing that happened when Kim wasn't here A mouse and I'm trying we were under construction. So we yeah, and we stirred up something and I'm trying to catch The most in a live trap. Well, the most was so small It went into the live trap eat all the food went right back out And I'm like this would only happen to me. That's right. Uh, anyway I I'm a massive growth when Kim's not around I'd always love the phone calls because I'm away and I don't want to be away

26:07 But I have to be because I have to you know, I've made my living in new brunswick For six and a half years. Yeah, that's that's pretty big. So I love my clients. They're they're like my friends There's not one client I have that I can say that when they're coming I go, oh god You know, I I love what I do. I love, you know the interaction with them So Kim and I decided a long time ago that we wanted to be together And we knew it wasn't going to be easy Not easy, but it was going to be fun right and we had a lot of fun a lot Yeah, and we keep we keep certain things. Um The thing I love is that we're both awakened souls. So we understand the fundamentals of life like You know, I'm not why would I treat you badly?

26:54 You know to leave space for you to treat me badly Like we just don't do any of those things and one of the things I noticed right off the bat was I could be My complete self and anybody that knows me, you know, you see me working and all that but I'm really a backyard guru like I I love gardening and I love growing stuff and I love making things with it And I am in my element when I'm in my work Or in that, you know, I I really am I've always been a very much like a very, um Extraverted person, but I'd say that I've become more of an introverted extrovert I'm I have no problem being around people. I love people However, I do choose more To be kind of home and creative in my own area Yes, you know, and I love that I have the space to do that. So, you know, I earlier on I would complain To the universe and say, you know, I'm so crazy and in love with this person But why does it feel like I have to give up so much?

28:01 You know, because everything I own everything my business my family my grandkids my friends Everything was in New Brunswick So, you know, I went through a little period where I was like a angry little angry elf for a while Um, but what I've learned is that In in all the moments there's so much to learn from and every time we're apart because usually Um through the school year September to June every other month. I would go home without Laura Um and and complete honesty sometimes Um being being with a woman Um, I'm 11 years older. So I'm 58. I just turned 58 and I've my kids are 36 and 30 and I've been with Laura for 10 years So I've never had a break from having children and having the responsibility and I take that very serious So sometimes I just need a break. It has nothing to do with and I think it's how I keep myself Good is that I'm honest. Yeah, and and I think that that's something in a relationship that people don't do enough of is Is like let's let's unpack. Let's take it out And I was going through a period where I was kind of cranky a little bit and I didn't feel like my normal self

29:19 And then when I gave myself permission to say hey All this really is is that you're a human And you've been a mom since you were 21 You know pregnant at 20 married at 19 Um, and I've I'm the oldest daughter So, you know, it's like there's been a ton of responsibility on me And I felt terrible when I came to the realization that oh my god, sometimes I need my own space Um, but when I go home to do Brunswick, it's really like it's like, uh Hamster on a wheel. It's like, okay Friday I get there and I go work privately and then I go to my son's house or my daughter's house and it's You know, I I got to see my grandkids and it's like I have the weekend And I'm telling you we fit as much into that weekend as we possibly can And then I go to work on Monday and I work all week and then I drive home Four and a half five hours. So this isn't some little thing I do We do big things to be together like massive massive things to be together and you have to you know Leaving your ex meant that you only have your kids half the time and I know how hard that is So I think in a really good relationship You leave space To listen to what the other person might not be saying. Yeah, you know and and I think that

30:38 I can't I can't tell you that I would do anything to keep this relationship good because it's so good Yeah, well, that's but that's it like from the moment we were together We could feel how huge the challenges were going to be and both of us were scared. Oh scared to death Yeah, you know, we were we were scared because we knew how big this was How important it was for us to be together But how hard it was going to be but I'm telling you The good far outweighs the hard every single day. Yep And we have so much good that I can't even think like it's like I don't I don't think about the challenges anymore Because it's just part it's just become part of our life. It's become part of what we are and you know We can talk about soulmates for a minute because You know, we this is the debate we're debating. Are we twin flames? Are we soulmates?

31:35 I don't know because soulmates have like the you know, sacred contract You know, like a soulmate normally comes into your life at a very pivotal time you know when you need that kind of support or help or connection And often you recognize this person as what we said like feeling like home That person feels like home to you feels like you've known them forever, you know Well, and I like one thing you told me was I loved all the simple little things about you like all your things that you would say, oh um You mean like my annoying things. Well, that's to you. Yeah, you would say that you would say I can't believe you like that or you like that And I just have a smile on my face and I love I said I love all the quirky weird little things to do So I don't know. I must I feel like I was like Uh, like I'm an elderly person inside a young person's body because like my food choices Like I want to have like if you're a maritime or you know, what green chow chow is I want green chow chow on my potatoes You know, I want sauerkraut. I want beets and things like that and in the beginning I was like shocked that she liked all these things. I was like, you like Beets and sauerkraut and you like Chow chow, you know, like and then it would just expand and we'd be like, oh my god, you like that

32:53 I like that and so we finally get to have all the things we love. I know why I feel like we're like winning all the time. Well, I didn't have anybody in my life like that was That was That way that loved to go look at sunsets, you know Or that wanted to just sit on the beach and listen to the waves And I was craving it by the time I met you, I was like, oh my god, and it was kind of like had become my little bit of Kind of like a test that I would give new friends So when new people came into my life, I would say to them Do you want to go look at a sunrise because I figured the sunrise is early in the morning And if they if they really love sunrises and they really are, you know Kind of liking me, then they're gonna say yes. So I did this to a few friends before you Everyone said no, except for you Which is so funny because we've watched so many sunrises and so many sunsets and I mean, I don't know if anything can beat Sedona No, that was the most magnificent sunrise we've ever seen But yeah, like I it was kind of like the way that I like narrowed down the field a little bit Like I I'd ask people and it's not that I wouldn't be their friend

34:09 But I just knew I was like, you're not my main person, you know, if you don't like these things You're not somebody that I'm going to spend a lot of time with and so I I actually Yeah, I tested this on a few people and you were the first one But I have another disclaimer here is that we would have spent every moment together So to wake up at 5 30 in the morning to go catch a sunrise was not out of you know, it was not out of The realm of possibility because we just wanted to be together Well, look at last week. We went to the beach twice You know, it's the winter and I mean last month in in New Brunswick I took all four kids and they're nine seven almost five and three the other day So, you know, it was it was snowing and we still went and we walked the beach and we did everything because People's perception of when you can do something is oh is you know I My whole life even when I was as soon as I was old enough to do this by myself I'll say I would walk to the water and that was my centering And thankfully we always lived close enough to the water that I could do this But any time I could get to the ocean I was I was going And so when I met you and I remember the first time you stayed at my house and and I said, you know Do you want to get up in the morning and go see a sunrise and you were like, yeah

35:27 I was like herring cove didn't we? Yeah, the break water or the coat though Yeah, the little park there. So Yeah, I was I was like, oh, look the universe wasn't stupid It said if you have to leave everything you know and love To go to another province with this woman with young kids, which which, you know I was doing it all over again. They were nine and five. I was like, ah, everybody thought you were crazy. Yeah Um, at least they gave me an incredible beaches Because it's like my favorite thing about Nova Scotia is the beaches I I you know, I just love but see here's the thing is the thing about like Soulmates is that you have similarities. Yeah, you know, you have things in common, obviously You feel a connection the person feels like home to you But the relationship tends to be less turbulent than a twin flame So twin flames remind me of like magnets like they're magnetized to each other They're pulled to each other But then what do you do with magnets when you when you turn them around and they're like the opposing forces And they push each other apart That's how I always see twin flames And I know that twin flames come into your life for soul growth that kind of thing But I I don't know the soulmate thing didn't feel right to me either when we were talking about us

36:46 Possibly because It feels a little deeper than that because you can have many soulmates in your own You a friend can be a soulmate. Um, you know, uh, a sibling can be a soulmate you know your Co-worker could be a soulmate. It doesn't have to be your spouse So you can have many soulmates in your life And and you can have many people that come in as a soulmate, but maybe they don't stay in your life Because I would say I've had a few of those too that came into my life feeling like This person is going to be in my life forever and they they're not they're not meant to So that that didn't that didn't drive with me either But I think we can take like we can take bits and pieces of both Because we don't have We are quite passionate people both of us and we're both used to being bosses So that can be an issue sometimes because we both like to have control And so we have to work on that together all the time my new way of talking to Laura's Laura Okay, I want you to read this listen, but I want Your absolute honesty because you can't you don't have to ask me to be honest If you're asking me a question, I'm going to tell you the honest truth Now Laura's way nicer than me and way I always say she's she's very pure

38:06 Um and with me my mentality is if you ask me a question and you want the honest truth Then I'm going to give it to you now. I'm absolutely not going to be mean about it I'm going to be careful how I deliver it, but I am going to deliver the truth and I it's like when people joke about you know You put on a pair of pants and say what do I look fat in these pants? Well That's a trick question no matter what because With me My thing is if I look bigger in something than I did with something else then you need to say hey That doesn't that's not very flattering. I I love that since we've been together If I ask this question, I know I'm going to get an honest answer So you better be careful what you're asking if you don't want the answer So yeah, yeah, but I'm just like why waste your time right? Oh, so I literally pre warned her to go Could you please Just tell me the truth if you don't like it or what do you like or what would you change and I'm very specific because I find it very hard to get her to be um You're honest you just live an honest life, but I mean in certain things Yeah, but you want me to cut the honesty like to be like more direct and maybe that's just not me

39:23 So, you know, I know I do my best. Yeah, but it's more like I'm somebody who I don't waste words. I don't waste time It's like, okay, I'm going to do this and this is something I'm going to do It's a for sure thing. So then I'll go well, you know It's a good thing that I I don't lack confidence because I have like put clothes on and Kim's look at me and said Those that doesn't look good on you like you should change Like when you went shopping with my mother who would say, oh, that looks great And and you come home with three outfits and I don't think you kept any of them And you go, why did I keep these and I said, oh god love my mom And she listens to me all the time now because she's above us not not with us anymore. So but I think your mom had like kind of low standards when it comes to A little start to her. So she always used to get a kick out of how tiny you are. So She just didn't want to disappoint me. No, okay. Absolutely. No, I feel like We have found our balance between us. We have certainly come into a really nice flow in our relationship Well, because in the beginning it was survival like we were it, you know, we're now we're talking about normal stuff You have kids or teenagers and you know, and there's other things that we've been tested through but in the beginning it was

40:44 It was like getting to you you getting to me Well, think about even the beginning. It was not easy. The beginning for you was finding even housing Yes, you know finding a place to live. Yeah, that was huge. I mean, I was lucky to find an apartment pretty quickly But Kim really struggled for a little while Well, I lived with a friend for six months and I slept You know, I stayed at a friend's house for a little bit Then I stayed at a friend's house for six months Then I stayed at another friend's house for six months because Then I had to pay for a rental to work As well as a place to live whereas at my home I had my wellness center in my basement like the whole downstairs was a walk out. It was a beautiful Quite a transition quite a transition for both of us different ways, but I just feel like we've had we had all those big things. So we we're now out of survival mode You know, God. Yeah, and and it's that's another thing like you don't even realize it till you you realize it and you go It's like you're not waiting for the shoot of fall or for something to happen Even vehicles like my both drive crvs and we had we could do a whole show just on the funny Parts of vehicles driving back and forth from New Brunswick and oh my god. I remember my little yellow

42:03 Golf, I love that car. But man when I get out, I think people thought it was like one of those little clown cars Because I'm not little I'm six feet tall in the school It was quite surprising to see Kim step out of the yellow golf for sure. I love love love that little car Look inside the car and go. Gee is there that much space in there? I don't really know And the stuff I carted back and forth with that little thing. Oh my god Put a whole like massive coffee table in that thing. Yeah, we still have that. Yeah crazy. Um No, my thought is that twin flames because I have you know through my work I've had I've come in contact with a lot of people who have met their twin flame and We Kim and I had you know reasons to believe that we were twin flame but No twin flames that I know get along as well as we do And if the other elements come into that, I think we're both very evolved souls I think we've both been in relationships where you know, I obviously were two women. So the whole thing where You know, when your kids are are here You make me coffee every morning and bring it into the room and when they're not I do and and it's not set in stone We're you know, sometimes this morning you brought coffee. So and the kids aren't here So there's all that but then it's like this

43:20 You're paying attention. So is it because we're women or is it because we're evolved souls? Is it because we're twin flame soulmates? Like I don't know. I just think that we have learned Through the experiences in our life What we really truly want and what we're okay with and what we're not and I think we just follow a certain Kind of life because of how we who we are and what what what we want from life But I mean, I gotta say that that all being said that sounds like to You know well-rounded people, right, you know that are just like operating from a good place, right? But let's be real. There's a lot of people Uh that we come in contact with now That have a lot of work to do to become well-rounded grounded balanced people And mental illness is an issue, you know, everybody everybody experiences all mental, you know health on a spectrum, right?

44:22 So we all have experienced some forms of mental health issues that we needed help with or whatever But there is a lot of people right now that are saying, oh, I found my twin flame And you know, the sex is amazing But we don't get along the rest of the day or you know, or they're manipulative or whatever But it's my twin flame and I finally found them So I have to be with them because we have this connection and I'm sorry, but In a future podcast, we will talk about spiritual bypassing and what that is But that is a perfect example of it if you cannot You cannot accept manipulation toxic behavior abuse and then turn around and say you're connected You know spiritual grounded person, you know that those two things don't go together, right?

45:13 If you're if your sacred life force is being damaged and being taken by another person and you're saying Yeah, but they're my twin flame Sorry, you know, that's that's not okay. You cannot stay in relationships with people That are damaging you or a toxic relationship or an abusive relationship or a manipulative relationship These are not okay. This is not what you came here for and if you met your twin flame Exciting, I'm glad for you But if it's not good for you and it's not healthy Do not stay in that relationship because it will only hurt you. You'll have more healing to do Then you ever thought then you ever planned on And I mean as humans, we do have free will And we do have certain people that we run into throughout our lives that are there to teach us lessons and You know show us things about ourselves But you don't have to prolong the lesson using the excuse that you are spiritual Right, but there's a lot of that stuff happens and you know, I see stuff in spiritual Spiritual communities all the time that I don't agree with but I'm kind of again I'm not back there guru that I I really do control what I put in my mind. I really do control who and

46:32 You know, I hang out with and everything and you know, I'm going to go back to One of the things that I love is You and I would say that if we met earlier on in life We might not be together. I don't think we would have because I I wouldn't have been As evolved and like I don't I don't know. Yeah, so the question, right? So I look at the sides I I really think that you and I are two people that really like chose to be of service in a massive way like What we do is so important to us and I think that's that's what keeps us going keeps us wanting to be better because We have this love for each other. We have this incredible relationship But you know, I look at you know, how I grew up and I look at your family I love your family and I look at my family and all the and I love my family But a lot of mental illness a lot of dysfunction But one thing about my family, we were crazy poor when we were young like, you know I didn't finish something when I was on the podcast the the this one last one we did but Mom used to say that she ate whatever we didn't eat because they were so poor And she was like 98 pounds at 21 years old with four kids, you know, so

47:50 But the thing about my family and what I can say that I absolutely loved about being in that family So I have to love everything. I have to love the good and the bad because my family are go-getters and they are all exceptionally Successful financially, I'd say like, you know, they all have beautiful homes and very driven very driven, right? And then I look at your family and one of the things that I I must have needed to learn was to have more fear because I I I really have very little fear I don't know if anybody needs to learn that But but fear sometimes is good, right? And I find your family love them all but very very fearful people Maybe to take uh, maybe what you had to learn was to take a pause, you know to to think something through or something But yeah, I don't think I don't think yeah, but I did a lot of crazy things Like I did a lot of cliff diving and I I remember getting the only way I could get attention from dad was, you know Like to do things he loved to do and one thing he's never realized god love on me 78 and he still doesn't realize how We are so much alike in all the beautiful ways everything beautiful about him. I have You know, I have I have incredible energy I can do just about anything and I don't know how I just I just I go right at things, right

49:07 And he loves feeding the birds and he loves gardening and he has all these beautiful sides to himself And I've inherited all those now. I don't have any of the dysfunctional mentally ill parts of of him But maybe it's because he made himself a teacher in the way that he showed me all the things I didn't want to be like so and you have openness to grow and change you and when you when you need help You ask for it. Yes. So here's the thing I You know the we're we're here and we're thinking about okay, so twin flames And soulmates and we're trying to you know Go through this whole process with you so you can see who you have in your life who might be a soulmate or twin flame and It's it's actually pulling me back into all these things and I can I can hear in you too It's pulling you back so you can feel in your life like when you look at Or you're the observer now. Yeah, like you look at all the Disfunction you've had and all that mental illness and everything But then you actually can step away from it when you're in a place of safety And so that's what I see sometimes in twin flames that they're lacking that safety They still they kind of push each other and they get each other You know kind of going in a sense and they push each other to heal and you're you're mirrored

50:27 Your trauma is mirrored in them And mirrored back to you and so of course you can see the need to heal and grow and to Go through these things But twin flames don't feel safe to me So you know again, I'll My I can't I can't say it about everybody. No, no, I think I think the perspective is that if you really took you and I I mean at least from what you say about me, you're always saying that Because I'll say well, I don't know how I did this or did that and You'll say well, you're so old and you're so wise and you were built this way and you're built for it But when you were when I was just a kid, I didn't know any of this I've learned it through The the family I grew up in and then the relationship I was in with, you know, my my ex with and you know Obviously there were problems or I would never have left and I'm grateful for a lot of what happens Strictly divine timing that we met at the right time. So my thing is What if all these people that you know, they think they're twin flames or they're they're soulmates or whatever If they haven't had the awareness that we have Then we they couldn't get to where we are

51:43 So I think you and I are very rare I think it's very rare and it doesn't matter if you call us twin flames Doesn't matter if you call us soulmates We are two individuals that are very connected to the divine feminine That are very connected to higher consciousness and that are very open and aware. So it to me it doesn't feel fair To put us in a category with with everybody else because how many people that are, you know, textbook twin flames You know can leave the province how many of them can leave their family Well, that's them can leave their work and honestly, you know, that is what happens to twin flames that is what they're forced into these challenges and asked to do and Then it's like can you do it right? Right? Yeah, but I just think that there's so many other elements. It's like everything I I love astrology. I love numerology. I love Gene Keys. I love all this stuff But everything is just little pieces of information But who you are like I've always had this thing about me Since I was My god, I you know, I think four years old was my first memory But I've always felt so different And for a long time in my life, I was so angry At people in my life family because I didn't like the way they behaved and I I could see the difference

53:02 Why couldn't they so, you know, you and I are not just like everybody else and there's no millions and billions of people So, yeah, there's no cookie cutter right sir. And yeah, and the thing is I like I said my experience With twin flames at sometimes they can be together sometimes they can work through things together But more often It's difficult for them. Mm-hmm for lots of reasons different places in their healing different places in their awareness and their experience You know, and as we said, you know, we May not have I don't think we would have been together if we met earlier in our lives I think there is I would agree with that too. And also, you know, we got to think about how many times your soul incarnates And we know that if you don't get it right in this life There's another life coming right, you know, if you don't get it right you maybe Maybe you've had a twin flame experience and it just didn't last or it didn't go where you wanted it to go Um, or maybe the person couldn't, you know, either one person one person in the relationship couldn't keep going just know That it doesn't mean that it's never gonna happen right and in our wedding vows I said to you

54:18 That I have looked for you for thousands of years And I truly feel that me too. I do too because I I remember so many lives egypt and and Like there's that one was a big one for me because when Laura and I were first together Um, we would be together, you know alone and we'd be going through different things and we'd start seeing all these You know, it could have been meditation could have been working on each other treatments But you know, I kept seeing all these lives and I'd say oh my gosh, like I see this red house and I was a You know a rancher and that was a really profound life that life. That was really crazy because Kim could feel this life that she was a rancher in a red like brick house with a wraparound patio or for veranda And I had already had dreams. Mm-hmm. I had already had dreams about that And so in that life I was with Kim, you know, and we had this ranch together And there's multiple other things that I don't include but But I I had already had the past life dreams to the point where I knew I was a smoker in that life Because I could feel it like I I knew one of my brothers in this life was in that life with me and he would try to help me

55:36 Um, I knew like the town what it looked like Um, I could I could kind of say around what year this was, you know, when this all happened so Oh my gosh and when I Kim started telling me like I had this life and I feel like I was a rancher and this is what my hosts look like I started to kind of like Yeah, I had like full body tingles up and down. I was like, oh my god Like that is the life that is the life we were together That's the last life we were together before this life And it's pretty amazing. It's almost like I could take all those visions Take the visions from Kim take the visions from me and they would completely overlap and and match up so crazy Well, and the other thing is just as I think we grow up in the homes we do And then we both married and we went through that experience I think about the past lives we've had because some of them like the egypt life that was a life where I was more of a guard And I was my job was to take care of you because you were a princess or something, you know In that life, but I had this love and admiration for you and I can remember that life and go I just wanted to take care of you Right and then the life as the rancher like I we were older in that life when we got together too

56:52 So I think that when you can remember your past lives and you have the connection that we have to them There's lessons in each one of them because I also know we had lives that we didn't follow through and we messed it up And we both have those so I think you and I have been together in so many lives And I think that we were I honestly think we were up there and we went We can help the world to be a better place far easier together than we can apart But we knew the things we had to learn from Right to develop us into the people we now are and if you look at the work like look at what's happening to you And look at what's happening to me and I I told Laura not long ago I said listen I have worked two lifetimes in this lifetime and I don't want to work hard anymore So, you know the back and forth and all that I'm like, you know, we're we're gonna change a few things and and I started saying You know, what do I want to do? I want to help bring people back to a god consciousness That has no judgment Because real universal consciousness Is god consciousness and we are all connected to that and everything is available to each and every one of us So my big thing was I'm going back to teaching Reiki

58:07 Because I always loved it and I've been so busy. I've been the renovator of our home And I've been going back and forth and I'm 58. I'm getting older. I'm in great You know health, but you know, I want to stay in great health so that I can See the world with my wife. I'm so glad I'm so glad because the you know, I I've watched you teach Reiki and It is such an amazing experience and you You're you're born to do that like, you know, that is one of the things you're born to and I love all the things I do and anybody that knows me knows that I get bored So for me, it's like gotta make it new master teacher. I'm a naturopathic therapist I'm an awakening soul coach I make a whole line of natural products out of things I grow in my yard These are just the things I do to give back as well because I feel so blessed to be here in this life At this time and then throw on top of it that I have an incredible partner And it makes it so much easier for us to do what we love Having somebody with us that says, hey, you're busy. I got supper. Oh, you you got to do this Okay, I got it. There's no even asking. We're so connected in our minds. It's like

59:24 There's been so many times that Laura has been out And she's the most thoughtful person I've ever met in my life Um, but she will think of something and that I didn't even say it and she'll bring it home And I I'm a hopeless romantic like I love love It is like my favorite thing So and I know that she is somebody that even if you look at just your astrology sign Being a tourist with a cancer moon you you can't give you enough attention. So You know and I have lots to give so that's it Our astrology is like very complimentary And our numerology is kind of the the same in some ways except for our you had more karmic That lessens than me way more karmic So, you know and and if if I'm being honest in this life, I've always had this feeling like I never had to come here But I wanted to and I will always come back if I can make the world even just a tiny bit better because I was in it beautiful Well, I think we're going to end it there. Um, I don't have anything better to say than that We'll be back next week with another talk If you're interested in contacting Kim for soul awakening coaching Please contact her at mksoulcoaching.com

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