What Can Go Wrong in Spiritual Communities?

0:11 Hello, I'm Kimberly and I'm Laura and today we've got a big topic big topic. Yeah, what can go wrong in spiritual communities? Yeah, this is a very big topic and we've talked about this multiple times. We've had many conversations and I think sometimes it's just the How things aren't quite what they seem we'll say. Yeah, well, I think hmm, I When it's going to be spicy. Yeah, if we're going to talk about it in a real to start off in a real simple way As long as spiritual communities are not run from a place of ego, you can find a really nice little place for yourself Yes, because in my experience a lot of the times what I find in spiritual communities is that People get into them for the right reasons They want to they they're seeking change in their life and they're looking for another way of being But I find myself what I've seen over the years. I you know, I've been in this for 20 years I've seen lots just like you Is that it sometimes almost strikes me as it's like the new religion and that's not what spirituality is. Yeah, so Spirituality is so open. Yeah, and it should feel like expansive for every person

1:31 They should be able to follow a path that suits them and We were having a good talk Kim and I the other day about how You can be spiritual But you also still have to do the work, right? You can't not do your personal work because if you're experiencing spirituality Without the personal development You can it's really lopsided like you can really go to a place where you just Bypass everything you've been through and everything you should be working on and kind of say all well all love and light I'm spiritual and these you know, yeah, these terrible things happen to me But you know love and light love and light and then we don't actually deal with anything, right? So The heart of the the spiritual community really it's not just about the person who creates it it's about the people that are Attracted to that person to join a spiritual community and This is a natural stage like an unnatural phase on your path when you're opening up as a spiritual being because everybody every single person feels like they're doing it alone and The reason for that is because when you are moving on a spiritual path

2:46 Sometimes you do have to be alone to really figure out who you are figure out what you like or what you want Wait, what are your goals? You know is your goal personal development? Do you want to you know let go of some things that you've been dealing with like there could be so many reasons why? people enter spirituality when They're dealing with addiction mental health issues Maybe they just have had a lot happen to them in their life and they want to make sense of it They're curious, you know, so all of us that have been drawn to this What we call spirituality? we have been drawn in for our own reasons and We go through a normal process and there's kind of a step-by-step process to what people call ascension But one step on that process is looking for a community So you are actually wanting people of like mind to show up in your life So you don't feel alone so you feel like you have support you can talk to somebody about it And so this is where the confusing piece comes in is how do you find a spiritual community?

3:49 That's not ego-based Because we we are so programmed in this even especially like where we are in North America We're so programmed to listen to the authority and to also be in a place like of more Like everybody wanting more all the time and in those places of that like achievement-based You know, there's a leader follow the leader listen to the rules and then there's also this feeling like You know, we need we want more of things we want better We want to be better than the next person you're faster quicker and this is all Completely opposite right to what true spirituality actually is and We've talked about it lots because to me true spirituality is Knowing yourself and knowing what you're connected to Yeah, connection is a massive thing for me and there's not really a whole lot else to it You know, like it's very very simple And I think that that speaks volume for life because for me I always joke and say I'm the backyard guru because I live my life my way And I would have to say that earlier on in my life. I would have been quite honestly Not always happy about my childhood and stuff and some of the things that I've experienced and I you know

5:08 But back then and then you marry and you fall into another You know way of being where you think you're on the right track everything seems like it's working out You're loving a lot of things in your life But then you hit a wall just like you did in in your earlier stages, but those walls to me are Learning points. Yeah pivot points, you know, and now I look at You know, I look at my childhood and I look at my I'll call it my my old life With my old partner and that I look at it completely different and I look at it from a place of love and gratitude because all those things were pieces of me that I wouldn't trade for the world because I now know who I am more than I ever have But see what do you have to do?

6:00 To accept all those pieces of you right and to allow them to exist within you because that is True spirituality when you don't turn your back on Things that have happened to you or things that are part of you just because somebody told you it was bad, right? Or it wasn't it wasn't that's not love and light, you know, like you have oh, that's a terrible thing that happened Well, that's not you. Yes, it is you Well all the good things all the bad things all the things we've had to grow through all the things We've had to contemplate are all you that's true spirituality accepting that we are we're imperfect beings We're perfect imperfection Yeah, and I love the fact I love that because I think that we all are none of us are perfect nor nor should we be and I love I love all of these conversations and you and I get to talk about this stuff all the time But for me, I've spent a lot of time in the last Well the last 20 years but the last six months I've really gone within myself and I know I was telling you this yesterday when we're talking with something else But you know and I think when you need to hear things they come through I had like a really incredible week in New Brunswick last week working and I I told my wife

7:17 I said I must have really needed to be loved Because I got a week full of love from clients and lots of really good things being said lots of good talks with my grandkids just lots of Awareness That I'm on the right track, and I'm doing things that are making a difference And and I get these things every day and so do you and we love our work But the thing that that has shocked me the most is I love being alone I love that quiet time between me and spirit where I hear things and you know when you get messages from spirit They shouldn't be things that knock you out, and I mean that not I think sometimes awareness can knock you out where you go Holy jeez, that's amazing. I didn't think that was gonna happen that way or whatever But I mean they should feel within yourself in your body. They should feel good You know because I know when when I allowed myself to have the space to say oh wow you did not read that right Or or you didn't give that enough time or you any time my ego has been involved I've right away have the red flag that goes all that's ego. That's ego. Yeah, you know because of the way it feels

8:34 Right what what you've done, and I'm just using you as an example, but you have actually accepted all the all sides to you and That gets rid of Insecurity because you come to a place where you just you accept yourself, and you this is where I am And this is who I love and I love yourself You're not used to and when love is present fear can't be right and what creates ego, but fear, right? So we have all these spiritual teachers out there that you know, they have value Everybody in your life has value so they're gonna show up and teach you things. Yeah, and I have learned through many of interactions with spiritual teachers That if they are unwilling to look at their own shit Mm-hmm, if they are unwilling to admit that they have work to do if they are acting like They know everything and you know nothing about your own life. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding? Huge red flags huge so The spiritual community then what happens you have somebody a teacher or somebody in charge Who is leading the community and they're leading them?

9:48 They're leading them down a path, but it's it's a path of More more more. I want more. I want I want to be better I want to achieve I want to be better than the next person I want to be able to tell the other people that I know how to do this and they don't and you know It's it you really if you want to make sure that a spiritual community is of the right place for you Then you really have to let yourself feel your intuition about the person who started it and about the teacher Because they're the ones they're their vibration is gonna attract all the people to that community Right and so if they're and though there might be the odd person that kind of you know is in the community going I don't like this or this isn't right But for the most part they're gonna attract people that vibrate exactly like them So first of all look to that look to the creator look to the teacher and see how you feel and I feel like I have no It's like I'm I'm creating this like group of mediums and we're calling it a community and I almost don't want to call it a community, but that's what it is and I'm just kind of very free about it. I'm just like yeah, you guys are all in the community You can talk you can keep in touch. You can talk if you want to you can ask questions if you're stuck on something You know people will step up and help you but there's no like

11:07 Requirements, right, you know, and there's nobody saying oh you did that the wrong way or you know Oh, don't think like that or don't feel like that and I think those are some major red flags and and I have had people in my life That have behaved this way that if you question their you know intuitive impressions Then they would throw it back to you and say oh that is your ego and I learned over time that this I Guess it's projection or like this form of emotional manipulation I I learned pretty quick what was happening with this particular person Yeah, that they couldn't handle anybody that they had helped and I'm doing air quotes right now They couldn't handle anybody that they helped questioning them their methods or their message and Me I'm like if somebody questions what I tell them I Think it's like an interesting exercise. Yeah, if they question me, I go wait Okay What did I what exactly did I say and I kind of go through my head and then I go hmm?

12:15 Maybe there's another point of view. Maybe there's a better way to approach this. Maybe I need more information You know, I don't if somebody questions what I say, I don't go. No, I am the almighty Teacher master leader. You must listen to me Yeah, like like so like wake up Laura. Where'd you go? there's a feeling inside of your of your system when you meet somebody that is really there for your best interest and They're there to empower you knowing Full well that you May become more skilled than them at that whatever that craft is and I love I'm so glad you said that I'm gonna interrupt. Yeah, I love that because here's the thing There's so many people that need people. It's like we're all messed up in a different way Yeah, we all need help. Yeah, it's what level of help. Do you need are you a newbie?

13:07 Are you just getting started like yeah, you know, but we never stop learning and to me that takes the pressure off And how do I know exactly? Oops. I'm banging into the microphone. So excited But this is this is exactly what I'm where I am. It's like How do I know if somebody comes to me and they want help? Hmm. They want help with their, you know intuitive ability or something and Somebody maybe somebody comes to you and they want to learn Reiki. Hmm. How do we? know What that person is here for? Mm-hmm exactly and how do we know where they came from, right? How can we assume that a student that comes forward might become the master with our help? Like we can't we can't assume that they won't is what I'm saying Mm-hmm And so when people come to me for help and they want to learn and I'm teaching them and I'm realizing how Connected they are and I'm like holy crap this person, you know is really is really a medium or this person can really do this And they could they could do exactly what I do and probably even better. That excites me. Mm-hmm. I get excited Yeah, and I guess I've been I've been around so many people that tried to hold me back and I know that you can relate to this

14:22 Oh, yeah, and I think How does anybody truly know because sometimes we don't even know what we learned in a past life what we brought to this life Like we don't know until it starts unfolding So how can we judge somebody else and say that they're not going to be? Amazing in that field, you know, even though you're you're teaching them And I think the other side of it is like I've had you know, I'm I'll be honest I've been a loner for a lot and There's always been people kind of come in and out of my life and and teachers that came in and out And I've always believed that we're teachers and students and we take turns at that constantly There's never you're never just a teacher. You're never just a student, right? But I had I have had some experiences, you know with taken Reiki where you know My teacher was holding me back and I didn't understand why so I had to talk to a good friend about it Who's highly highly was into all this stuff and she was an older woman and brilliant and You know, I thank God for people like her because she said, you know When when the students are passes the teacher and she said that and I could have took that whatever way But I didn't I still was very humble and I thought no just like everybody. I'm gonna learn and I don't mind Like people questioning me like I question myself all the time. That's that's the accountability piece

15:43 I put on myself and then another time and you know, I just kept pushing and staying on course And I knew that all the right things would happen in the right time and I did some work with the with the shaman And his wife kind of seeked me out and at first the message wasn't quite what the message was really about later That I learned but I didn't care. I loved the experience but This this shaman would be he they would be angry at me Mm-hmm, and you know one of their friends would walk in and I would read them and I wasn't reading them in a way That I was asked or not asked I just said they asked me a few questions and I answered them Mm-hmm, and basically I picked up on a bunch of stuff and the shaman looked at me He said, how do you know all this and I was thinking to myself I don't know and you know, I wasn't this was a long time ago But I I love I love the trust and faith I have in myself and I don't always know where it's coming from to be honest I'm I'm human But I always trust what my intuition tells me and even though here's this big big You know shaman energetic guy that is I'm feeling them in the moment going

17:00 I don't know why I'm annoying them Why why is this annoying them that I know this? Mm-hmm, you know, I later found out why and it had nothing to do with me However, sometimes people that are in authority when you're What appears to be the student and you're saying profound things in a way that? They're just shocked then they question you But where could I possibly get that information? Well, and if they understand how this all works That that threw me off even more. I'm like, how can this person be asking me this question when it seems pretty clear to me You know, so again when you're in this field and when you're a newbie and you're looking for community You're looking for connection because I think it's more connection than anything we're looking for in life But you'll find whatever way you can to achieve that to find that. Yeah, you know Well, and I'm listening to you and you just pointed out so many So many Breadflakes right with spiritual teachers, you know, and it's true when you when you as a student surpassed the teacher You know, who knows what could happen because if the teacher has their identity Their ego and identity is all tied up in being a teacher

18:18 Then they're gonna try to maintain that power structure You know, if they don't feel comfortable with you moving past them then they will find ways people find ways to Discourage you to make you feel bad to question yourself and and then at the heart of all that it really is fear It's like fear of maybe somebody is better than me Maybe somebody knows more than me. Maybe this person's more, you know has more ability than I do like there is a fear You know, and and it's sad to me because I think we all have strengths and weaknesses And I mean even you and I as a couple there's things about you that I need and there's things about me that you Need so we get to evolve and raise consciousness by being able to throw things back and forth. Yeah, you know Yeah, this is the thing I just think we like there's so much wrapped up in this topic but I really wanted to talk about this today because it came up I can actually came up on the weekend about Spiritual communities and the jealousy the jealousy that's there and how people are Still still have toxic behaviors. They're still trying to tear people down, but they're like, you know, trying to do it in such a nice way You know my on their face like, oh, no, that's your childhood trauma

19:35 That's and that's not what's happening right now because you know I'm loving light and this is your trauma and it's your trigger and now no we can't talk about that That's not right. So I I had this conversation with somebody on the weekend about a spiritual community that I was Asked to join multiple times, but I just couldn't do it. I felt weird about it It felt it felt strange. It didn't and I had attended a couple of their events And even at the events I have to say it almost felt like I had a big flashing sign above my head because people stared at me But not in a nice way. It was kind of like who is that, you know And the people that are energy sensitive that could feel my energy that was another layer and I felt like People people were drawn to me and the people that were drawn to me were like very nice And it was easy the people that were not drawn to me will say They found ways to make me feel bad about existing, you know, so this group I decided I had been asked multiple times to go and Attend their events and do fundraisers for them and I just kept saying no because they wanted mediums and then I recently I recently read about somebody else's experience with this group and

20:55 The meat they they were a visiting medium So invited to come and they did a very, you know good job with their sessions with the group and their messages and Some of the other mediums that were regulars got jealous and they started spreading rumors About the person and the rumors went all the way to the top and the other mediums were disciplined and asked to leave the community And I just thought All of that for like what like what what do you try and to accomplish and how is that anything to do with spirituality? That's still based in still based in ego still based in that very like Surface-level idea that we just need to be the best, you know We need to be more more than everybody else and you know, we need to have more and and I believed by being less We're more because like the less we get involved with all this like Chaos and all this stuff that doesn't really matter, you know, like I find so much Gratitude for my life. Like I love I feel blessed to be who I am I feel blessed to be in this life this beautiful earth and and I'm enjoying it more and more every day by playing in the dirt and Doing the things I do and it's you know, I'm a very curious soul

22:13 I came here to experience a lot in this life and I have fun doing it It doesn't matter if I'm building cabinetry that I don't know what the hell I'm doing or you know Gardening and the the earth talks to me. It tells me what to do So then I feel so grateful that I'm I'm getting to a level of Existence that I'm paying attention more and more and in a deeper way So something I wanted to ask you I want to talk about is the the way people seem in spiritual communities To believe that people that are ill It's because of it's like it's their fault. It feels like you know, like it feels like that's the way they're presenting it to the Yeah, so this like is You can call it spiritual bypassing when you come to somebody with a serious issue, you know, maybe it's Maybe it's a physical ailment like you asked about so you come to somebody and you're a spiritual leader Somebody you look up to a mentor with a physical ailment or a big problem in your life and you're talking to them About it and they make Light of it in the sense that they they say things like well, that's because you have so much guilt Mm-hmm, you know, you have guilt that you never released or you know, you really shouldn't

23:35 Think that way because thinking that way is what got you sick in the first place, right? You know when we have we are Beings that go through a lot of shifts and challenges and and we're built for and we're built for it We're here for that. Yeah, our soul is here for the challenge because the challenge breaks us open Mm-hmm. It helps expand us. We learn things from it. We become more resilient stronger And it's just it's all about our own soul expansion and learning so Humans are very curious. We want to learn a lot of things And if you're here to learn a lot of things, you're here for a lot of Challenge and sometimes struggle and so that's part of our experience and it should be honored the struggle should be honored I agree when we have a physical ailment Yes, there is emotional roots. Mm-hmm, but I Would say It's okay to talk to somebody about how they feel like they May have gotten here It's okay to talk to them about how they feel about it It's not okay to make them feel like it's something they did wrong Or to live in that forever because you got to move past Well think about it if we had the awareness, right if we said to ourselves gee

24:52 I'm really angry. I'm really holding on to a lot of anger I should really look at this and heal this so I don't get so I don't have problems with my liver Because that is there's all these places in the body Emotional yeah, we hold emotional pain and the liver holds anger So if somebody knew that if somebody said gee, I'm really angry I should really let this go and I should really deal with this. Oh gee I might get I might end up with liver failure, you know, if I don't Don't you think everybody would do what they could to release that But it's usually we don't even think that way until the person already has the problem So they have liver failure and then you're turning around and saying to them Well, this is because you were so angry all those years, right? Well, they don't know that right It's not and it's not fair to make them it's not fair to do that when somebody already has the physical ailment It has passed through so many layers of the energetic field It's already happening. They say that disease is in the auric field seven years before it enters the body I so I that's what I see too. I see that it's the problem is existing and It can enter the physical body, but by the time it does It's not that it's too late It just means that you can't turn around and fix the emotional thing that happened

26:10 Seven years out there in the aura. You can't run out there and fix that and have the thing fixed in your body You have to go through the physical Journey of what's going on in your body and you May feel a lot of emotions connected to that and you May release them along the way and You May get better if you're if your path is to heal Then you will but if your path is to have that physical ailment then you will because that's a thing I mean you and I've had multiple multiple conversations about different things like this and Sometimes you and I have found I remember a little boy We worked on at the IWK that had I think it was leukemia seven years old and it was it was hard to go in there and No, it wasn't hard to do treatments. It was hard to see that someone's life at that young of an age was going to be ending and But see that's us having to deal with our feelings around that too, right?

27:06 Because souls when they come in to have an experience that we don't understand doesn't mean it's not oh my gosh You know I learned so much from that little boy because I know that the parents called me in as like a Hail Mary you know like they're like they're looking for a miracle and I understood it and I asked him to come with me because I Didn't really know what I was getting into and I didn't know what they wanted for me And I knew that you had done like things like this in the past with friends that were passing away and things I actually feel so special to be able to be asked for those Because the experience is like it's an honor never forget it. That's right. It it does do something to you But that little boy didn't didn't do something to cause us No, and no one can say that they have done something You know other than obviously we can make health choices and diet choices and stuff that we know Maybe might not be so great for us down the road But but that little boy did nothing in a spiritual emotional sense to cause leukemia, right?

28:12 So we were there now I I as I said I was aware the parents were looking for a miracle And when I got there I realized that that wasn't what was gonna happen No, and I connected with his energy and he was gone his body was there. Yeah, and he was on life support But I believe he was waiting because his mother he was worried about his mom Yeah, and he told me he he was I tuned into him and he was playing on the beach And he was playing in the sand making a big mess in the sand And I remember he talked to me about his mom and how his mom needed Certain things said and so I talked to her a lot and it was hard for her because she knew he was he was dying and she Didn't really want to listen I guess like you don't want to hear I don't think I would either but change what I Was hoping that just the Vibration of the words eventually would help her and sink in and so we saw we saw him a few times And helped his energy field, but he was kind of like I don't need any help. I want you to go help my mom I remember yeah, not to laugh at you know But I think the thing I'm always amazed with is how incredible these young souls are they know and they're they're more

29:31 Okay, than we are. Yeah, but it's like we hold on for whatever reasons we do but So to have somebody tell you like obviously We do know like you can correct a lot of things in your energy field by healing the emotional wounds and you can Divert yourself. I guess away from some pretty serious things, but once somebody is in the place If they're in the place of they're saying, okay, this is what's going on with me It is never okay and never helpful for somebody who you look up to in a spiritual sense To then tell you well if you would just do this you would get better That's so dismissive and that's that's one way of spiritual bypassing The situation is heavy. It deserves, you know, it deserves counsel It deserves a safe place to be to hold space for that person while they go through this this trauma that they're going through It is not the time to tell somebody that they didn't do something right, right?

30:36 And it doesn't help anybody. Yeah, no, I agree with that. I I I've had lots of experience in my life working on people that were You know, I thought I was there to help them live and my Actual job was to help them rest in peace meaning if there was any way I could give them clarity on something That you know, I'm not saying I haven't found that because somebody a Hypothetical somebody hadn't talked to their kids in 23 years over something trivial like religion You know, that's that's horrible to me Like the thought that you would not talk to your kids because of that reason It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. However, not my lesson, right? I think it's the idea that Like I so spirit. I've this is kind of funny I got the smackdown from spirit when I first started this work because I Had never had so much attention in all my life You know, I just I was never like the The popular kid or the special kid for any talents. I was the most Uncoordinated kid playing sports. I didn't have a good singing voice. I couldn't it couldn't dance

31:56 I don't think you you can sing some songs really well. Well, I say I love singing. So I love you I love listening. I do sing better. Um, I Always said confidence comes from when you give yourself permission to just be you. So let's just say I was a mediocre Singer, okay But I I wasn't the kid and I didn't even I like I wasn't getting top marks in school I was none of those things I I didn't have anything about me that somebody would say wow That's amazing. You know, I was just very like middle of the road So when I started doing this work and people were paying attention to me It went to my head. Hmm like it really did in the beginning, but I definitely get the smackdown I love I started like with like stupid things like I'd go to a party and everybody there would be like I'd all of a sudden be the center of attention and they ever read me read me read me next, you know and It's a party. So of course, you know, what does Laura do Laura has a drink and then the next day After only one or two small drinks, Laura feels like a truck has run over her like I had 10 or 20 drinks Right. So it was the message from spirit was that, you know, you cannot treat this like a

33:19 Parallel game. This is not to make you feel like you have power over other people This is not for you to feel, you know, just superior or even special There are people out there that are much better than you Always gonna be somebody there's better mediums of better psychics out there than you and so I I'm thankful for the teaching in the very beginning and Then I got another lesson when I tried to use pendulums I had a pendulum. I used to use it all the time. I was well, well practice with my pendulum But a lot of the time I realized the pendulum was just telling me whatever I wanted to hear here Yeah, and I can control it. That's the thing. I always knew I could control. Yeah I think what it is is my energy was overpowering whatever else could Possibly get in there and manipulate it And I've always had a lot of energy coming from my hands So I you know you hold the pendulum over your hand You're like yes or no and of course like if you want yes So I did this with It was a big Lottery home and I had gone to this lottery home loved it at the at the time would have loved to have a new house

34:34 Asked my pendulum will I win the house pendulum says yes. So here's Laura waiting for the draw, you know Waiting by the phone for them to call me with my new house, of course never happened So, you know, I feel like the universe has kind of taken me down a few notches And then I was able to learn and able to see that What I'm doing here and what Kim is doing and this is why we connect so well. We are empowering people we are Helping them see the way for themselves and we are putting the power back to them So we're saying don't put your don't put your 100% You know power in all that into us because you have it right you have everything we have right and you can bring out What you need for yourself and it's gonna be much better than anything we could ever offer you So we're here as like I kind of say like a way show her, you know Like there's the way you can take it if you want to and you have all the power inside of you to get whatever you need So if you're ever in a spiritual community and somebody saying don't do spirituality that way, you know Don't do it this way then you're gonna know that something's not right and I recently ran into this a student of mine

35:52 Was taking a program and The the person facilitating the program their Philosophy is that you calm the nervous system first and then you teach the skills and the tools the spiritual tools and For whatever reason, you know, this teacher keeps telling the student that their nervous system is not regulated yet Even though she feels like she's ready so How is it that a teacher can be that gatekeeper when it comes to spirituality? This is a this is a big lesson for people that are seeking out teachers If you feel like you're ready for something then you are if you feel like you are ready to learn something then you are The awareness that you decide that you want to do something is is the answer right there And it's something that you want to if somebody's trying to hold you back. That's a big red flag, right?

36:47 Because like I think about you and Reiki Yeah, so you took level one and level two, right and then your Reiki teacher says no You're not well She was she was slowing me down right off the bat from level one But you know you have to understand that you know, I don't think that it's I don't think as a teacher We have the power or the right to hold that over other people I think that if something shows up then it showed up because it was supposed to yeah Because and you just deal with it the best way you can because what what is my investment in my clients? My investment is to try to help them Bring more light and hope into their life and more which brings more happy which brings more calm which creates more space something I've noticed lately is that You know when you're always in protection and fight or flight Which we've been for a long time. There's this vibrational like Feeling every time you're around people, you know You have to protect yourself against and it makes my it made my body feel so tight Like there was no expansiveness and lately the thing I feel and I felt it for the last few months more than I've ever felt It before but things have been there's been a lot of shifting for you and I and a lot of downloads download shift shift shift

38:06 But my my heart and my my my chest feels expansive in a way it's never felt before there's room in there I can breathe but you deeper and fuller You are the expert On your body exactly and how you feel right and that goes for everybody listening. You are the expert You know how you feel and you can't let other people tell you differently and I want to say that this teacher I Thought she was Amazing I loved her. So there's no it was just I felt like oh, I'm ready to go and I'm listening to my guides Mm-hmm, and they're pushing me because what I've heard since the minute I started Reiki was that I knew I wanted to be someone who put their life into a place of Accepting whatever needed to come into my awareness to heal to shift to change to grow I Welcome that. Mm-hmm. I welcome it because that's Expansion and that's what I came here for and I want to help other people Feel if I don't get one comment compliment all the time

39:23 It's how positive and happy I am all the time, but I work very hard on that Mm-hmm. It is not that I never feel sad It's not that I ever don't you know have a bad thought. I've I've had loads of bad thoughts I've had lots of negative thinking when I was in I'll say in the eye of the storm Because I'm human but or however, I know That I'm the best the worst of my parents. So in my awareness of that There's there's like remnants of good and bad that I've worked through to hold on to more of the good to let go of more of the bad or or dark side or or shadow whatever and I I have gone through the the Shadow work and stuff like that and I I don't think we're ever done any of it I think that till the day you take your last breath because I know I I can remember many of my past lives Not all of them and no know where's near but I've had memories of abusing my power I've had memories of like getting right to the place where you want to be and then it all be taken from me I that's why it's so important to me in this life Yeah, and I love the point you made that we're never done never because if you are

40:41 Accepting that you are the the student like I feel like I'm the eternal student Yeah, I learn all the time from people in my life. I learned from spirit I learned from clients. I learned from students all the time in a constant state of learning And if you are in that place, then you can't lord your power over other people, right? Just it prevents you from doing that Spirituality isn't about who has more power or who has more knowledge or who's more connected any one of us I Think about even so I'm more focused to mediumship But any one of us any any one of you could become a medium. It's I've practiced I'm a highly practiced person I have practiced and practiced and practiced and if you did the same you would and you wanted to focus on being a Medium you could do it too and I think when you when you really do go through that ego stage You really learn when your ego is talking to you Yeah, and that is such a beautiful gift because it because here's the thing how many people live in this world I don't even know the exact number. Oh, well, it's over eight billion, right?

41:57 Yeah So I have never been the person even when I was a kid and I started working and shoveling driveways and mowing lawns I always knew that there was lots of money out in the world Mm-hmm. I always knew it and I always knew that there would be opportunities to create Work so that I would make money. I never worried about that Mm-hmm. I always knew that the right people would show up same thing with this work Is that I never worry about who doesn't agree with the way I am and how I Like deliver my messages or the way I do my work, you know, yeah I've never worried about that because I believe that if we really were listening The right people gravitate towards you people they're not gonna come see you if the it used to annoy me And I'll be completely honest it used to annoy me when we did events and there'd be people stand beside me And they would use their ego to say I am going to this and oh, this is that and I'd be like, oh my god I got to get away from here. Mm-hmm. Well, it's just annoyed me because it's not us We're isn't and that's the first thing you learn. It's not us, right?

43:04 It's we're the vessel, right, you know, and that's another ego buster right there because oh, man there's been lots of learning for me and And I want to correct myself there because I wouldn't be mad. I would just be like laughing going. Oh boy Yeah, they must be a newbie. Yeah, or whatever because that is not something I would want to portray to money to people that I am the person. No, no, but everybody all of us are on the path So we're talking about, you know, lots of different things today And we're also in acceptance that everyone is in their own place on their path So I'm I'm telling you that I have been there in those ego places and Spirit just didn't let me stay there very long. Something would happen to snap me out of it and one of the things that Happened quite a few times I I learned that What I was putting out into the world was important and it had the desired effect as far as My spirit guides were concerned or the universe was concerned And it didn't matter if I ever got credit for it. Me too. So I I know I would help people

44:20 So I would do a reading for somebody And tell them a bunch of amazing things and they would say in the moment. This is life altering. This is amazing Like thank you so much And then I you know, I'd see them somewhere, you know Maybe see them on social media and they would be giving somebody else the credit They'd be saying, oh my therapist helped me through this or Whatever blah blah and at first it was really Frustrating because I knew I was doing good work But I didn't feel like I was getting a lot of recognition and spirit said to me. What if you never have it? You have to be right within yourself doing the work. Yeah, you have to enjoy the work You have to feel the fulfillment and the work You can't worry about the recognition that comes you can't worry about the credit you get You can't worry about all the nice things people say about you It's like it's beautiful when those things happen, you know, and we're grateful But you can't do the work for those reasons because you will end up in an ego space And we've all made those mistakes, you know, as people doing the work you absolutely but it's like My problem is when people know better and they don't do better that that is my biggest Issue with everything in life. It's when people know better and they don't choose to do better

45:39 Then then I look at them and say, you know what I can still love them But I don't really want to be in their energy because it It it sometimes hurts me. Yeah, if you know, I and I don't I don't like feeling hurt So this is it like we've kind of gone rapid fire through a ton of stuff But right like one thing that I want to say too is that When I hear people rejecting everything to do with our 3d world and saying things like Systems are the problem, you know money's the problem and we shouldn't have to do this or that or like Government and you know But here's the thing You came here in a human body in a physical body to be here during this time And you came here to experience all of it. So you can't escape into your spirituality and say Oh, I don't need money, you know, like everybody needs money. Like what a weird I don't want to participate in the money exchange system. What do you mean? How are you gonna survive?

46:41 Oh, I know people thought you should do treatments for free and you should do readings for free because it's a gift and And I mean, oh boy, that's another topic for another like because people thought people had said to me And I'm sure they said to you well, this is this gift was given to you by the universe You should you shouldn't charge for it come on like I I have to say that's something that I have gotten passed because my catholic upbringing would teach you That you should not you know indulge, you know, there should be nothing fun happening if you're catholic Well, do at the cost of you. Yeah is my kind of motto for that carry a lot of weight and guilt around That's right. Um, well, the suffering that still happens, right? So I had to learn that Just as anybody is gifted or has ability in any area That money is actually currency. Mm-hmm currency is energy. Mm-hmm We exchange energy So if I'm going to give you my energy for an hour And you have no other way to pay me back with your energy about money Then that is the energy exchange and in order for me to keep going And keep delivering my energy to people I have to be

47:59 Repaid somehow, right? Otherwise, I'm going to be depleted and I'm not going to be able to continue this work And we have traded before yeah with people, but it's a you give me this I give you this we made the agreement. We're all good. We're all good with it But you know, it's it's like when I first started it takes special people to trade with oh Oh, yes, absolutely because it does because it has to be Something very clear energy like I think if it's important for you and important for them What's being exchanged then it's it's it's good But um the thing with all this for me is that We really live in such a beautiful world and we are spending our time thinking and And stressing and filling our days with these things that don't matter And there's lots of people that want to escape this world, but you came here to have this experience You came here for this experience. You came here to recognize the beauty You came here to integrate the 3d world with whatever you are Whether you're 5d 9d 20d who cares you you still have to be human and so early on Some of the messages I got because I felt like I wanted to float away Kim knows I'm not a super grounded person. Uh my feet barely touch the ground

49:17 Um, I'm just that's my that's my personality And so I had to work really hard to be grounded But one of the messages that came was that we are here in human bodies to have a human experience And so we are spiritual beings having that human experience. Yes, but that doesn't mean we get to Escape our human experience by saying we're spiritual. So we're not going to have the human experience That's not how it works. You need to stay grounded and centered in who you are as a human being And then connect to your spirituality to help you with that experience. Yep I I remember this guy. He was like 82 years old And he wanted to be taught his Reiki master teacher level before he died And I taught him one on one And I'll tell you it's funny all these he was the character to let me tell you I didn't love everything But but boy was he ever, you know, he was quite the guy and I learned so much from him Um, and we had a great, you know, we had a great connection. We had a great time It was it wasn't a long time But uh, it was to me it was so satisfying to do something that he felt like he couldn't do when he was

50:36 Like his wife had passed years before and I don't think he ever gave himself permission to do the thing He wanted to do for himself and I I think you and I both come across different people like that throughout our life But you know, I love that I love that time I had with him And I love so many of the things that I've gotten to experience through this work and when I first started I really needed money, but I didn't care It didn't matter to me. I trusted and I know that you know, people say, oh, you did like I don't know I 400 treatments for free. I did some a crazy amount of treatments For free in the beginning, but it wasn't I value myself I have been an entrepreneur all my life and I I've never had a problem manifesting money because I believe it's out It's everywhere. Um, so if you believe it's possible, then it's possible. I know and we can't that's another, uh, There's so many podcasts coming out so many red flags To blame your manifestation, right on your problems, right? Like well, I'm just not manifesting properly I don't know that that's so please there's a block please don't do that Yes, absolutely. Yeah, you May have a block in your thinking but We also have to understand that everything happens in time Exactly the way it's supposed to and everything is lined up for you to learn

51:55 So when you trust and spirit Then you know That you are led down a path that is just for you and that you will be supported in your learning And that's the thing when we go to somebody and we say well, you're suffering because you didn't manifest properly. That's so Not right. It's it's so wrong in so many ways because We only learn as we need to We only learn and grow as we're supposed to as what we can handle at any moment And so maybe they've had a hard go and maybe they need support and maybe they need a friend And maybe they do need to change the way they think about things But you can't blame what's happened in their past on something that they've had no awareness of before you actually said the words You know, it's funny like 20 years ago I was diagnosed with a herniated disc and I live like I don't have them Because I don't want to hold myself back or create a blocked energy in any way now I know I go the opposite, but I'm somebody who I need to move I need to be creative and I'm a curious person. I want to figure out how to do things But I've gotten a lot of flak over the years for that, but I just truly believe that

53:14 You know, my guides tell me all the time. It's more that it's everything is balanced Kim Balance balance balance and it's the same thing what I hear people Say, you know, can you imagine you're not well and you do have something that you're going through And then you have people saying well if you don't eat this and if you don't stand on your You know, I feel like you don't step Hold your left foot out and your right hand over behind here and and don't eat this Unless it's in between this time like it's insane to me Now any packaged foods we know processed foods isn't good for us, but I don't care I'm still going to be the person that if I'm making a care cake or something and I have a piece of it That is not going to hurt me. I'm sorry. There's so much love put into what we do It's when you buy the food that has a bunch of crap in it. Look at the people You know the I always have this beautiful story with this lady. I worked on she was 88 years old And uh, she you know, I had a lot to do with her when she was passing and I just learned so much from her, but That lady and people in her time They had their dinner and they had a treat and they had their supper and they had a treat But most things that they they ate they made so we're living in a different time

54:32 You know the processed foods you and I know we can't even hardly eat out anymore because we make everything from scratch now And yes, it's a lot more work, but there's a lot more Good energy being put into our bodies But I'm not not everybody can afford fresh produce not everybody can afford the supplements We spend a fortune on supplements and not everybody can do that So how unfair is it for us to put that on them as well? Oh well, you're only gonna get better if you do this this and this I don't believe that. Yeah. I believe illness is a state of mind. I also believe Illness is a lack of love and support. Absolutely. There's multiple reasons, but So it's just like what I but I like however But however, I'm trying to find so I like the uh, the idea of a plant If you have a plant and the plant isn't doing well, do you blame the plant? Right I like that too. The plant needs nutrients. It needs sun. It needs water And it needs somebody to care about it needs love And so let's think about people, right? Why are we blaming people for where they are when they probably just haven't had what they needed?

55:44 And that's why the old system is collapsing. That old many systems, which is wonderful Well, yeah, and it's hopefully it won't they won't all happen at once because that would be terrible But but I think what's what what we're doing away with Is that I'm better than you. I'm more than you. I have more than you. I can do more than you I think that's dropping away and we're coming into a place of true acceptance true embodiment I feel like we're coming to a place of truth and authenticity and inner power In a way that I I really am so excited about and your inner power Is what directs you that's what directs you to where you need to connect to spiritually what you need to have in your life By all means if you feel like you need to be You know have a specialized diet And eat, you know specialized things and you know vegan all natural organic whatever I mean do what your body is asking you to do But don't put the stress on it that and don't keep doing it if it doesn't feel right That's your that's your answer right there because the stress bodies take differently to different foods And the stress that you place on this is worse than the actual food

57:02 I that I agree 150 percent Yeah, and I see so many people ill and right now we're all talking, you know about So many people that are passing so early so young in life But the other side of it is another podcast too is that sometimes what we see The way we see it isn't the way it always is and I mean The the vibration On this universe is shifting drastically even the energy this new energy. I'm in love with it I gotta be honest. I'm so in love with this new energy We are so moving past all this all this idea like the toxic Gurus and teachers and like we're just moving past all this and we're coming into a place of true connection True connection with self really this path this spiritual path is about learning who you are And loving loving who you are accepting all the parts to you And it's not about what anybody else is telling you to do or what they're telling you you should do It's about what you feel is right And it's it's a little harder to hear your inner voice, but if you listen to your inner voice You can hear what is best for you. You can follow what is best for you and you can live a much more centered life

58:19 That that sounds like a good place to finish there. That's pretty good. That's where we are. Absolutely enjoyed the talk today Wonderful. We'll talk to you next week If you're interested in contacting Kim for soul awakening coaching, please contact her at mksoulcoaching.com If you'd like to check out my website and everything that I do, please go to laurawarrenmedium.com