Soul Signature Numerology with Ann Perry Numerologist

0:00 Hi there and welcome back. We are here today with Anne Perry, numerologist and soul coach, and I'm excited to bring her on today. Me too. Anne, she's also a friend. Woo, woo. Yeah. A very good friend that we love. So we're very excited about what is going on in her world. It's double good. So we decided to bring Anne on today because she has launched a beautiful book that I had the privilege of reading already, which I feel very lucky and can't wait for my signed copy. It's called Soul Signature Numerology. So Anne, what an accomplishment. This is huge. Oh, yeah. Well, thank you. There's a lot of help. It's taken me three years to get it done, but you know, since I was a kid, every time I would go and have a psychic reading, the very, very first opening comment and even from you, Laura would be, when are you going to write the book?

1:00 And I'm like, what book? I'm glad that I finally nailed it down to what it was supposed to be about. And you know what? I don't think three years is a long time. Like when you think about everything you have to do to get a book out there, to get your book baby, you know, into the world, that's not really a long time. Oh, and you're working too. Yeah. Well, it's the life experiences that had to happen. You know, so it was like 63 years of life experiences that went into this, but it took me three years to collate it all. Well, I have to say, like after reading the book, I really, I know you have, you know, you have a successful business and numerology readings and Soul Signature Numerology readings, and you have a successful YouTube channel and a spiritual community, clarity seekers community.

1:52 And so this, to add this on top of everything, you know, to me, I think three years is like pretty decent. I know. And I feel like we need a nap that gives us like the big audience that goes, yeah, yeah, actually, I'll be that. If I need, I have, I actually have an applause button on my, on my equipment, but I don't know which one it is. So I'm afraid to press any buttons right now. But if I knew which one it was, I would press it. And Kim, I thought, I thought you said nap. And I'm like, I am all for that. Let's have a nap. Yeah, that's awful. Oh my gosh. So can you tell us, because I know after reading the book, I understood, not only understood you more, and we've been friends forever, but I understood a little bit more about your perspective. And so can you tell us a little bit about where, I guess, what I want to know is how did you, how did you get to this place? Like I want to be a numerologist.

2:53 Well, I've always had an interest in things like astrology, tarot, numerology, all the things that go bump in the night, you know. And I was back in 2003, I was in a really dark place. It was not a happy place. And I was really lost and feeling very directionless. It did pass over time, but it was really difficult while I was going through it. And so a few years later, one of my Reiki clients brought me a book about numerology, and I started reading it. And I thought, wow, this is like so bang on, like this is crazy. So as I deepened my studies, I started to learn about something called the essences. Okay, so the essences come from your birth name. And they get applied to your personal years. So if you think of the personal years from one to nine as a black and white template, the essence which comes from your birth name is like the color that you throw against the template to make that personal year stand out differently. Right? So, you know, Kimberly's birth name is this, mine is that we could be both in the same personal year, but we're going to have a different experience because our birth names are determining that. So when I learned that, I thought, well, what the heck was 2003 all about when I went back? And I could see that around my birthday, I went into an essence that was

4:12 Very, very difficult. And then I thought afterwards, man, if I'd known I was going to go into this really dark place at this point, but that I would come out of it at that point just a year later, I would have navigated it much differently. But when you're in the hole and you're in the darkness, you don't know where the light is or if there is a light, right? So I thought, when I learned that, I thought, okay, that is so incredibly important to me that I make sure that I share that with anybody and everybody who will even listen to me. So that's kind of how it started. And then I just started doing more and more readings and then more and more people who are master number 11 started coming to me. And the question was, well, why the heck? You know, I'm not an 11. Where did they come from? Yeah. But my gross number is an 11, which means that what I'm supposed to teach is to the higher energies, you know, the higher, the energetically sensitive people, right? Yeah. Because it's interesting. I know you're a pretty stubborn person because I mean, again, I learned some things about you in your book that I didn't know, but one thing I have always known about you is you are pretty stubborn and it takes a lot

5:32 To move somebody into a spiritual path. And so one thing that I have, like I've observed as a friend, kind of like watching, but then I've also noticed in your book is how you have had a lot of hard knocks in your life, you know, and to get you to this place. So do you feel like, do you feel like that's like a necessary part of a spiritual path? No, not necessarily. I mean, my, my life path number is a 16 seven, although that's open for discussion here in a minute. I believe it's a 16 seven. So that would imply that I'm going to have some crash burn and learns. And I certainly have through my life, but no worse than gosh, I've had a much better life than many people I reach for. So but I do believe that my path was getting me ready to be a better teacher because I do teach from my experiences.

6:29 You know, I believe that if I go through crap, I meant to make sense of it and I meant to use it as a teaching opportunity. As soon as I go through crap, the first thing I want to do is write a newsletter on it. I know that probably sounds silly, but no, if I learned something, you guys want to, you know, you want to know, I'm going to make sure that you know it too. Yeah. I love that because I think that's what we all should be doing. That's what we're all trying to do within our work, right? Right. Yeah. Well, why else will we go through the crap? Right. And we know it's, we know it happens to all of us, you know, we all have to go through it. We can lie about it and cover it over. But I think it shows great strength to use your vulnerability and tell your story the way you have. I, I love your story about being six years old with the flowers. I want you to talk about that.

7:17 Because girl, we have some things in common. Awesome. Well, you know, the, yeah, well, that's kind of how the book starts is, you know, there's some introduction, numerology and whatnot for the people that aren't too familiar with it. And there's some talk about my belief systems and how to do calculations and such. But I learned, God, I don't know how many years ago it was now, but I used to stand on a hill that said that this is the way that you do the calculations, and there is no other way. And this is the Holy Grail and all that, right? Because when I, when I first did the calculations for my life path number, I just added the numbers straight across. And I came up as a 34, 7. Right. But I never understood that the seven I got. I'm a spiritual teacher. I get it. You know, I'm analytical. I get it. I overthink everything. I get that. But the three and the four didn't really speak to me in terms of those referred to as sub lessons. The two numbers that you add up before you come to your final number are sub lessons. So when I got introduced to the work of Matthew Oliver Goodwin, Matthew taught us to break the date of birth down independently. So, you know, your month of birth comes down as a single digit, your day of birth comes down.

8:29 As does your year, you add those up and that's what you get. And in that case, I came up as a 16, 7. And to me, that was like, Oh my God, like that was it. I could totally resonate with that. But then a few years went by and I realized that, you know what, that method doesn't work for everybody. Right. And so why I called the book Soul Signature Numerology is because there is a signature for all of us. It's as unique as your fingerprints. And, you know, in your case, and then if I can talk about your dates of birth, absolutely case and in Kimberly's case, you're both the way that my Matthew Oliver Goodwin would do the calculations. You both would come up as 14 slash fives. Okay. Now, that would imply that both of you have the karmic debt of the 14 five, which we can talk about in a minute.

9:18 But if we take the numbers and we simply add it straight across, you both come up as a 32 five. So the question is, Oh, which one are you? And I have come to the understanding that you're both. Right. Okay. Now, there will be times in your life when you're going, hell, yeah, I'm a 14 five right now, you know, because that one in the four and the karmic debt and all the stuff that comes with it. Boys, that's ringing true for me. But there will be other times in your life when you're going to feel the impact of the three and the two. Right. Okay. So the influence of the of the three and the two is a very different influence than what the one and the four are. Right. But three and two go into five as do one and four. Right. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of, you know, in my book, when I when I write the stories and I write the chapters, it's very different. It's not your typical numerology book. Yes, there's some instructional part to it. But what you do is you read through the chapters one to nine.

10:14 And in chapter one, as you brought up, Kim, about the story about me being the entrepreneur at six years old, that was a positive story about me being, you know, the entrepreneur. So I illuminate what, what, what would that look like? What could the positive side of the number one look like? And then I'll tell a story about where I didn't quite ace it. Right. So my hope is that when people are reading the stories, they'll be entertained, but they'll be able to go, okay, I remember that differently than being very dogmatic about how the numbers roll out. You've got stories to relate to now. So it's way more fun thing. Right. To read. Well, and I read it through like, it's not, I mean, I hesitate to call it a workbook because it's not exactly that. It's almost like it pulls you in, like it pulls you into the stories, but it also gives you these prompts, like to, to reflect on your own numerology and help you think and think through things. And even like some of the stories that I know were reflected as kind of like, maybe the challenging side of the number. Some of them, I saw so much like goodness and lessons in that too, because the way it was the way that it was presented. So to me, like this is a

11:35 Transformational novel in a sense, like this is a transformational memoir, if you want to say it that way, where you are different after you read it, you're different for having read it, because it actually engages your own numerology. So that's what I'm hoping for. Yeah, it definitely is a different numerology book. Rather than just stating like this is the format, this is the calculation, this is what it means. It actually pulls you into thinking about things differently into like the depth of, of what each number means for you. And I mean, I am ultimately the teacher, right? And obviously, I can't teach you one-on-one when you're reading the book. But I have created a website where you can go and download a bunch of worksheets. Yeah. And a bunch of resource tools and that sort of thing. So there's a lot more than just the book itself. I love that. That kind of help you through the process, right? Yeah, right. And that's, I think that's so good to help people slow down. I mean, we were just talking about this earlier today, but everybody, everybody's in this time where they just want the answer right away. Oh yeah. If you're learning something for the first time, you need to take your time, like take your time with it and let things sink in. Let, let yourself

12:51 Like actually, you know, absorb it. Be successful with it too. Right. Yeah. Because nobody, people aren't used to that now. They're just like, I have a problem. I want the answer. But not everything that's worth doing is that fast, you know, and nor can you absorb all that information. So what this does is it makes numerology accessible to so many more people. Yeah. Accessible and relatable is the goal, right? Yeah. And I really feel that numerology is a language. Right. Or it's time to learn language. Yeah. Really, you know, I've always said there's nothing really too difficult about numerology, except for you really need to work hard to learn the values of each one of the numbers, the positive and the negative. Right. So even through the chapters, I don't know if you noticed or not, but if you're reading like chapter one, and you're reading story, the positive attributes of the number one are italicized. So it's another sort of way to learn. Right. Each one of those words is italicized. And again, when you go to the negative side or the contrary side of the number one, that will be emphasized as well or italicized. So it's a language, you know, and it takes time to learn a language.

14:08 But once you learn it, it's drag-and-drop plug-and-play. Right. You know, it doesn't matter what, if you can put it into the growth number, into the expression number, it's drag-and-drop plug-and-play. It's not difficult, but it takes a while. Yeah, because I, and I mean, I know like I asked you, I asked you about being stubborn, but it was more because I know what is, I know what's inside of you. And I know that just everybody's human. We don't always trust ourselves or, but I, but I know how much urging it took for you to write the book and how much pushing from the angelic realm. So you must feel some sort of relief now. Oh my God. I mean, in the back of the book, I said, okay, you guys, you know what?

14:55 You can lay off now because I finally got it done, right? Yeah. Well, unless they want you to write another one, you know. Oh boy. Give her a minute, right? No. No, I'm good. I have to say I love the cover. It's very magical. I do. I love it. It's very magical and yeah, it's a really good one. Well, Louise Roulot from Kotolik Blue from Montreal is the one that created it. She's a very, very well-known Canadian author or author, pardon me, designer, artist. Yeah. And her idea, she's created a beautiful set of Oracle cards. And when she created her Oracle, I bought her Oracle cards and I looked at them. I thought, man, these are like holograms to look into it.

15:43 And it just takes you in deeper and deeper. And I'm sitting here looking at my computer screen and my book cover is on my computer screen. And as I look at it, I'm looking in and going, I didn't notice that before. Right. It is. So it's wonderful. It speaks to you. It really does. And the eagle, as Laura knows, relates to my mom. And there is a story in my book about my mom and how she came to me in the eagle form right after she passed within hours of her passing. She came in the form of an eagle. So that's why it's there. But many people don't even see it, the eagle until they kind of start really looking at it. And it kind of jumps out. It's really cool. She's done an absolutely phenomenal job. It's so neat to been when somebody uses their intuitive connection to produce something like that because she connected with your energy.

16:29 And that's what came out. That reminds me of Pamela Kale with her work, The Soul Portraits. And that's what your picture reminded me of. It's one of these things that you look into. And the more you look, the more you see. And it does have that magical. That is not me. To look that good. Well, no, you're right. And that's why I hired Louise because I wanted somebody who would intuitively create it. And what I would completely blew me away is you'll notice on the cover that there is a dark bay horse of the white blaze down her face. And Louise knew I had written about a horse in my book. An encounter with a stallion. But what really blew me away was that horse that she put on the cover is an identical like identical appearance in an appearance of a horse that I leased for six years who taught me a ton of lessons.

17:30 So it's not the stallion in the book, but it's a horse that she just created which just so happens to look like the horse that I wrote for six years. That's awesome. I mean, that's just how in tune she was when she created this. That's beautiful. Yeah, I love it. So Soul Signature Numerology, I'm going back through all the stories and thinking about what I want to ask you about. But I was really kind of taken back by the last story in the number nine, the nine essence, I guess, about performing Reiki on somebody who was really sick.

18:17 And your honesty and your vulnerability in that story, it got me. Like I could have been quite like I was feeling emotional reading it because that's quite a lesson. Yeah. Yeah, it really was. Here I thought, here I was so new at it and Spirit brings me this woman that is full of cancer and just found out yet we had such a positive experience. But it's the nine is the healer, right? The nine is the humanitarian, the one with compassion, the one that just wants to fix things. And that's where I was. But when she died a couple of weeks later, man, I was destroyed.

19:03 I thought, what's the point? Like, why would I even bother as it was all up to me? So yeah, that was a really, really difficult time. And I don't want to spoil the story, but there was a lot in there that happened that was really profound for me. Some really amazing lessons though. Like, and I guess that's where I, that's where I go when I'm thinking about numerology. I'm like, you know, because, and, and knows my chart. I have a lot of have a lot of karmic lessons and layer. So that's kind of where I go. I go to the place like, you know, the lessons that can come from it can really help us explain, you know, the things that are unexplainable, the things that we don't really have a lot of, you know, control over.

19:52 And I love the story about the boil in the bag. Because that was the boiling bag dinners. Oh my God, because that would so be me. I would be the person that would be like, I must, well, I was that person. I must stay in this job because it's stable and I have a paycheck and, you know, I have to do this and pushing it to the point where, you know, the universe is like slapping you like, no, get out of this job, you know. Yep. And yeah. And that's the thing I, I can appreciate, like, I can appreciate the book on so many levels. So I'm just really glad you wrote it. I just feel like it's needed. Well, I just, I want to get the word out to as many people as I can.

20:39 Because I feel, especially when it comes to relationships, like, you know, and my stepson passed, as you know, in January. And one of the things he taught me after he passed was that we have to work harder at meeting people where they're at. And so how do we do that? You know, I thought, well, I'm a numerologist. I can teach people, you know, how to read the numbers so that you can read each other differently and that you can actually understand why a person is the way that they are. And you can look at them a little differently and you can be a bit more compassionate. And maybe you look at them with curiosity rather than judgment. Right, you know, which is needed. Yeah, which is absolutely needed. And it's fun. You know, I just can't wait to learn someone's date of birth when I meet them. One to everything about you.

21:26 So what's your date of birth? Yeah, that's right. What's your send number? Yeah. So anyway, I find it really fascinating. And I just, I'm hoping that this will help people to see everyone through a different light. And, you know, all three of us have been divorced, right? So we've all done the whole blended family thing. And it's not easy. It's not for the faint of heart. But it's, you know, but we have to be able to see each other in a different light, have to see each other for who we really are. And numerology just gives you that, you know, in a pretty, you don't have to be, you know, astrology is wonderful. But it's, you know, there's so many components to it. I get a little overwhelmed with it all. But I feel like I can master numerology a lot easier.

22:16 And that's why I chose to do it. Truth be known. But anyway, I just, I loved for families that are kind of going through difficulties. I can look at that and I can say, hey, this is what's going on. You're in a personal year of five. This person's in a year of four. Five is in fours. That's contradiction. Right. But it's only a cycle. It's just a cycle. You'll get past it. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. I love, I love numerology just for the simplicity of it. I, and I mean, I'm going to be real simple about this, but even when we're driving, we'll be talking about a topic. And it never fails that there's some big things happening right now. And I'm having some opportunities come to me. And Laura and I were talking about it.

23:02 And within a 10 car span, we've seen four triple digits in a row. Like just, we're talking that first sentence, bam, 999. Next one, bam, 444. Next one, and it, and we looked at each other and said, I think we better talk about this a little bit more because this is obviously very important. Like the sign, the sign, the sign, right? So, I love that. And I love anything that helps anybody understand their situation and be given a tool that can help them. Like you said, even in our perception and how we look at people, right? Laura and I were just saying the other day, you know, you look at the homelessness that's going on. If these were animals, more would be being done, right? If animals, cats and dogs, like people would be going nuts.

23:49 You didn't take care of your dog. It's sitting outside. Like what kind of person are you? But we have all these people. And again, it's about perception. We look at them and then we think we know their story, but you don't know their story. And it's not fair to have that judgment. So just like you said about your, you know, what you were saying about your son in the first of the year, we don't know and it's not okay to judge. All this and I remember walking through Costco within a couple of days of learning of my stepson's passing. And I was walking around and it hit me because I was in a bit of a, you know, coma walking around there. But it hit me and I went, nobody in this entire store knows what I've just gone through. Right. Not one person. But that also means that I don't know anything about any one of those people in the store or what they're going through.

24:36 Right. And that's where compassion becomes so important. Absolutely. Yep. Well, we can let these things change us. We can let these things, you know, take us down any path, but it's up to us. We choose, you know, we choose how, and actually you helped me quite a bit years ago because I was stuck in just stuck in anger, resentment, bitterness after my marriage. And yeah, I was talking to you and you said, I'm going to say something. You're probably not going to like it, but I'm going to tell you that you're choosing to be angry. And that hit me so hard because I thought, wait, I don't want to be angry. And it is choose something else.

25:22 You know, I wanted to choose something else. So, you know, it didn't, it didn't happen right away. I'll be honest. But that sunk in and that stayed with me that, you know, we don't have to allow ourselves to feel any way we don't want to. And I think that's mentioned in your book as well. Yeah. It's very much a theme of the book, to be honest. But you know, when I look at your life path number, anyway, you do it, whether it's 14, 5 or 32, 5. So let's look at the 14, 5. So both you and Kim are 14, 5. And so one of the obstacles that you face is a 4. Okay. So the 4 is in contradiction to the 5. The 5 wants to be footloose and fancy-free and out there and doing their thing.

26:08 But the 4 is like, no, no, no, no. You got to pause. You got to come back. You got to, you know, you got to follow the rules. You got to have a plan. You got to be disciplined and all of that, right? So you're always kind of in a bit of a contradiction there. So you get to choose how you respond to that. So when the 4 kicks in and says, oh, I have to be responsible, when the 5 is saying, I just want to go out and play, you go get to choose how you respond when that 4, you know, has a bit of a messy fit, right? Because that's what's creating your reality. Well, yeah. And that is, to me, we're born with, you know, in numerology, you're born with a certain vibration, you know, like that is your vibration through your name, through your birthdate, you know, all that, and at a certain time. But we have the lessons that we have because we were supposed to learn from them.

26:59 So we have to be able to look at, in my opinion anyway, because it's just like astrology too, like you have, you have lessons, you're born with that energy, but that doesn't mean that's where you're going to stay. Right, right. You know, you're absolutely, it's a good point. You're going to work your way through, you know, some of these lessons and you're going to come out on the other side and look at things differently. And be changed for it. So being open to the change and being open to the lessons is huge. And sometimes I haven't been. Sometimes I don't want the lesson. Sometimes all of us don't want the lessons, you know. But, but like we, there's, you know, there's lots of stuff out there now, social media and things. And I came across a quote and or Kim did, I can't remember, but it said that your triggers are your lessons.

27:48 So all the things that trigger things in you that you're struggling with, those are the things you have to look at. Very simple statement, but just the way it hit me, I just went, yep, that's, that's true. And your, yeah, and your triggers can be found in your sub lessons. So in the case of myself, I, I mostly identify with the 16 seven life path, which brings in the karmic debt, which says, and you, Laura, you have this too, because your expression numbers are 16 seven. So both of us have issues related to trust. Right. So, and half the time, it's not that we don't trust other people so much, it's that we don't trust ourselves. And so for any of us that work in this line of work, where we're, you know, being of counsel to people and that sort of thing, it's a big, fat, hairy deal. Well, we can rise above that, that area of mistrust and be able to step in and say, okay, I got this and it's okay, we're all right.

28:41 Then, you know, we develop our intuition. That becomes kind of a focal point for us. But in the case of myself, the 16 seven, that's six that's in there. That's my trigger is, you know, not everything has to be my responsibility. Right. Ah, yeah. That's a big one. Right? Yeah. Not everything. I don't have to feel like, you know, my husband is talking about retiring. And then immediately I went into the, oh my God, you know, who's going to pay the light bill? Right. Right. It's stupid. But it's still at 66 years old, I am still triggered by it to say, oh my God, that's 150 percent my responsibility. No, it's not. That might have been your other life, but it's not this one. Right. You know? So, yeah, it's interesting you brought up the triggers because that's, you will, that's how you can kind of determine which one of your life path numbers or which one of your soul signatures is actually activated currently.

29:38 Which one's triggering you the most? Right? 34.7 is not triggering me right now. The 16.7 is. I think you said to that when you did my chart, there was eight karmic lessons. So I'm always going like, which of these stupid eight lessons are, you know, like getting in there right now, digging in. Yeah. I don't know why I did that. Why don't you do that? I'm not going to do that next time. Yeah, sure. Because you're going to remember. I'm going to build my life better next time. Yeah. I think it's funny how we, we take such a negative approach to karmic lessons because when we first had our charts done, Laura and I were sitting down and we were like, okay, what's yours? What's mine? Which ones like do we have the same and which ones are different and why and all that?

30:24 And I think it's just really just the personality thing as well where we give things too much energy because I'm the type of person I love knowing that somebody else can look at my shit and go, huh, huh. Yeah, you're having this issue because of that. I'm like, great. Now, let's look at this and let because that's my personality. I, I probably trust more than I should sometimes, but I don't have the same like Laura and I, we're both 14 fives, but different things are stronger and weaker and different. You know, I know when you choose a big life, we look at it and we go, oh my God, I had so many hard lessons or I've been through so many hard things. I'm actually very grateful for that because I feel like it gives me more tools. To go forward with. But only if I can look at them as like the benefit that they are, you know, and the gift that they are because I do believe they're gifts.

31:17 And it's good. It's good that you've come through that, Kim, because, you know, the trust issue, you and I, our charts are actually quite similar in a lot of ways in that your expression number is a seven and you were born on the 25th day as I was too. So that brings in yet another seven. So 50% of our core numbers are related to the number seven, which is all about trusting in something bigger than ourselves. Right, right. That's my superpower, though. Yeah, I agree. That is my superpower because I can remember being a kid. And the older I get, the more I remember my connection as far as this as far as my spiritual connection goes. And I've always been somebody who loves learning. I don't care if I have to have my head put right through a wall when I get out the other side.

32:03 I'm like, wow, that was a good one. Like, you know, and I might not love it in the moment. I'm not perfect. I've absolutely gone through lots. And sometimes I do better than others, but I do I do love learning. And when we sat down and looked at our charts, I mean, it was, it was, I think almost in the same year as this is where we're in an eight year, but a nine universal. So it was when we were in big change because we both left our husbands and nobody liked us very much back then. So I did. I know you did. The right people did, right? But even that, it's just we're, if we really looked at everything the right way, we're all teachers. We're all students.

32:48 Oh, absolutely. We're constantly shifting in trading places. Like sometimes Laura's a teacher and sometimes I'm the student and sometimes I'm the teacher and she's a student. And I gracefully have no problem with that. Yeah, in part. Well, go ahead, A. Well, I was going to say what's interesting as I'm as because I'm sort of looking at your charts right now. And what I found interesting was that Kim, your heart's desire number isn't eight. So, you know, that says I want to empower people. I want to empower myself. I want to make some serious money. I'm not going to apologize for it because I'm going to work my ass off for it. You know, it's about healing your own adversities, but it's also about, you know, sharing that stuff with others. And you do that. You do that very well.

33:34 That is your eight. Okay. Laura, on the other hand, her expression number is a three. That's the speaker. That's who she is. Right? That's the speaker. That's the one that needs to talk. That's the one needs to write. You know, but when but then we look at Laura's first name and her growth number comes from the first name. It's an eight and yours, Kim, is your growth number is a one. So it's really good. Like I really, really like it. It's very, very good because it's kind of like my husband and I. Our life path numbers aren't exactly compatible, but we are ridiculously happy and good together because there's other pieces in our charts that work. So you can't just look at the date of birth to determine compatibility.

34:23 You just can't. Here's a funny story because my ex and I, we were actually in not numerology, but in astrology and stuff, the way people looked at it, we were a perfect match, but we were not a perfect match in the placement of being able to do the soul growth. I was, he was not. He was not okay with it. He didn't want to move. And then it became to a place where you're, you know, in your third eye, you're seeing you here and him way the hell back there. You know, there's no possible way you can keep being you with that energy. Like it's just if one person's ready to move and one person isn't, you're screwed. And then with Laura and I, our actual signs, we're not a perfect match at all. Actually, there's things about, if I would say the old me would not have gotten along as well with her sign is the new me because the new me has growth and I've evolved and so is she.

35:16 Yeah, I would say the same thing. Yeah, I would say the exact same thing. Like we're in a place now where we are compatible, but in like, I talk about this life as if we've had many lives in this life and I would say our first life. And I look at this as our second life. In our first life, I don't think we would have gotten along. No. It's really funny. And then in this life, it's like, we've already made all these adjustments within ourselves that this is perfect. I will say us both being fives has been interesting. Because I can definitely see. To say more. I can definitely see how like, both of us need to be in a relationship where we have freedom. Which we didn't really have in our previous relationships in the way we needed it.

36:06 So in this relationship, it's like, we early on discovered that we both, we could work together, but we both needed our own thing too. Absolutely. Because if we didn't have our own thing, it was, there was just too much like tension there. You get lost. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Yeah. And I gotta say, I didn't. One of us is the other. Well, I did recently realize that I was also doing that in right now. I was, I was taking time to just be in her life and not realizing that I can be myself in this, in this like another province. And I was kind of hitting walls here the last year. So it's funny that when I sat down and did my numerology before we were doing this, I went, oh, right.

36:52 I forgot about that. So and we had a conversation and it created a lot of good growth because we both realized that, you know, sometimes we don't want to see something until we do. And we distract ourselves. I was distracted by, you know, doing this house and I had a want to rebuild it. And it did a lot for me healing wise. So yes, I did get to that place. But what I got from it was very beneficial. So it was all okay. It's just the awareness is very important. Well, it's interesting. You say that because I did, I did take a look at your essence and what was going on. And you're right. You're in an eight personal year. It started January 1st. It'll end December 31st. And you are born January 25th.

37:40 So you're one of those cases where if your essence is going to change, it will change on your, it always, the essence will always change on your birthday. And because your birthday is so early in the year, January is always going to be a big month for you. Right. Right. It's always going to be a big adjustment, particularly if the essence changes. And it did in your case. You last year, you were in a personal year of, if I can kind of go off on a rant here. That's okay. You're in a personal year seven last year. And that was you going, okay, what next? Where do I go? How do I get there? What do I want to do? How's this going to work? You know, blah, blah, blah. And you had a 19 one essence. That 19 one essence is the same essence. That I was in when I was in my dark hole. Now that doesn't mean to say it has to play out that way for you. Right.

38:25 Okay. But what it does is it creates this tremendous need for independence. But it also says, I don't want anybody seeing me suffer. Right. I'm going to keep my cards really close. I want everybody thinking I got my shit together. And, and you know what? If I just don't want to be discovered if I don't have it all together, right? So you went through that. And it came out of it on your birthday this year. And you went into a 14 five essence. This is the same essence I've been in for like five years. So I'm like the poster child for it. But the 14 five, you being a five 14 five as well. This creates a little bit of confusion. It's like, you know, the world is my oyster. And I could do this. Oh, I could do that. Oh, that'd be fun. We could do this. Oh, let's do that.

39:11 You know, and it's just, and the only way that you can really move through this is to look at it and go, okay, the 14 five. That is a code. Okay. And it applies to both of you all the time. But it, but this is a cyclical time we're talking about. So the 14 five, number one, the one says I have to develop confidence within myself to be able to develop the number four, which is a step by step plan. So that I can have the five, which is the freedom that I want. Right. Right. So five is always calling you saying, I want to spend some money in the four kicks in and goes, no, no, you have to save your money. I want to take a day off work. And the four says, no, no, you can't. You have to work today.

39:56 You know, so it's like gas breaks, gas breaks, and you live your lives like that. Yeah. Gas breaks. Right. Yeah. Pretty much. And you're raising kids. So it's, it's a challenge. Now. Okay. So we're looking at that. So you're shifting into your nine. So what's going to happen next year for you, Kim, is that you'll be in a nine personal year under the umbrella of the one universal year, because 2026 will be a one universal year. So the universe is going to say, go, go, go. And your personal year is going to go, oh, no, I've got to clean some stuff up. Right. I got to kick some stuff to the curb before I can really step into it. And you May have suffered a little bit of confusion as to what is it? Am I supposed to release and let go off? So you're going to have to pause a little bit next year and say, okay, all right.

40:43 I know I'm supposed to be releasing and letting go of things, but rather than just kind of pulling the trigger, I have to kind of consider what it is I'm going to do. Right. Right. Well, yes. And there's, there's so much truth in that. And I think to take it one step further, my mother passing last year actually created a really, most people wouldn't understand this, but a freedom I've never had before. So it really gave me a different perspective. And I actually had the best year I've ever had this year, but that didn't come without a lot of realizations about really absolute truths and truths that I haven't been speaking up about until I absolutely like blue and then I had to.

41:33 So now I'm absolutely where you're, where you're talking about where I'm rebamping my website. I've totally changed my coaching practice. I'm, but I'm, I know that the universe has told me step back, take time, develop this the way you want, because you do not, you're not rushing this. It has to be very like, step ones. Right. Very strategic. That's the word I was looking for. And very well planned out for it to be successful. So everything you said has rang, like absolute true for me. And the only difference is most people wouldn't understand the freedom I've had since my mother passed because it gave me permission to let go of a whole bunch of responsibility that I no longer have to have.

42:21 Right. And that's right. Right. Yeah. Cause there's different reasons for people to feel the way they do about stuff. So that's right. Yeah. It's really opened me up. And I've, yeah, I love, I love any tool that helps us with the process of life and moving forward with a really heartfelt explanation for it. So thank you. And so, oh, my pleasure. And so with Laura being in 2025, you've been in the sixth personal year. Oh, joy, oh, bliss. Great. It's been great. Yeah. Yeah, I just love those six personal years. Yeah. Not so much. Anyway, so this has been 2025. This is the sixth personal year for you. This is all about your, your home, your family, your marriage, your house, responsibility to it, sharing that responsibility with your ex and all that kind of stuff comes into it.

43:14 Right. Yeah. Um, and dealing with whatever other stuff you got going on. But what's interesting about yours is you came into 2025 with a 16-7 essence. Okay. That means that now the essence goes birthday to birthday, where you were born in May. We know that that 16-7 essence was at play for you back in May of 2024 in your five personal year. Okay. So likely you had some unexpected events possibly that happened in that year, which kind of caused you to crash and burn a little bit. You know, take a little slide backwards. I'm not sure what that is, and you don't have to say, but just give it some thought. Yeah. And so as you, but the interesting thing is that here we are, we're in November, we're almost at the, you know, the, the end of the road for 2025.

44:08 You're still in the sixth personal year, but you came out of that essence, the 16-7 essence on your birthday this year. Right. And you went into an eight, and that's why things are on fire for you right now. Because that, that eight, well, it's also about putting a whole bunch of money at your house, which I'm sure you can agree you did. Yeah. But, you know, now you're sliding into your personal year of seven, which is going to catch you to put your hands up in the air and go, you know what everybody, back off. I am going in my cave this year. I don't want nothing to do with you guys. I was here for you all last year. I supported you. I was there. Mama needs a break. Okay. So you're going to start feeling like you need to withdraw a little bit, but it's actually kind of neat because when you go into that seven personal year, you know, one universal year, this is you thinking about what is the next step.

45:01 What is the next step? What is the next forward movement for me as it relates to my own personal power, but also as it relates to how I make my money? Right. Right. And then I think with a little bit of luck, you'll, you'll maybe take that with you into 2026 or 27. Yeah. So, you know, it's a nice lineup. It really is. Well, actually, I just said to Kim this morning that something did shift this year. My business just like is sort of moving on its own and I haven't had to feel like there's as much pushing, I guess. Just feels like things are kind of flowing. And then the urge, the urge to kind of crawl in the cave is already coming.

45:49 And it feels like I need to write. So it's probably all lining up perfectly. Because, because the, I mean, it always does, but, but the idea of the push to write is just so strong now that if I, when I don't, when I don't make time for it, I'm, I'm not happy. Like I, so I know, like it's, we're just getting to a place where I have to do it. And the, I don't have to worry as much about my business. It kind of is just kind of happening on its own. And I've proved a lot of things to myself this year. So, yeah. Well, and Kamri said, said it's about being in the flow. And it really is, because I feel the same way. This is the first year I can say that I felt really in flow.

46:37 And I don't know if it's because I, I kind of took a lot of time off to write the book or at least to finish it to get it to the finish line. But being in flow is a really weird experience for me. But boys, it feels good. If you understand your personal year, get in flow with it. Like just accept it and just roll with it rather than trying to resist it. Because some people might be really scared in a nine year to think, oh my God, things are going to end and it's all endings and what am I going to lose? But the whole idea, I think anyway, in a nine year is that things are finishing up or things that no longer serve you are leaving your experience. So that's not a bad thing. Well, it's just shift into a new life cycle too, right? Because I always feel like the one, the nine years, like a nine years about this new growth and who you are at 49, you're not at 56, or you know what I mean?

47:32 Right. We changed so much that we're not who we were even last year. I think about who I am now versus who I was. And this year, I know lots of people hated 2025. It was the best for me. It was absolutely, I have been stupid happy. Now a lot of that's because I've been out in the earth and growing and listening to the earth talk to me and teach me. So I feel grateful for that. And I had to give myself the time to do that and I did. So I'm really grateful for that. And I feel like I'm more prepared to go into a nine year. Yeah, I think that we all have to pause before we flip into 2026. Because if we don't pause to recognize the shifts and the healing and whatnot that we've gone through, we're going to miss it.

48:21 And this has been such a poo. This has been... I mean, you think about what's going on in the United States. Oh, absolutely. Yep. No, I hear you. There's things that are happening down there where there's a lot of things that are ending and being taken away. And you know, my family's country of Jamaica wiped out this last weekend. Right? Yeah. It's terrible. And but at the same time, I mean, I've gone in a very short period of time. I've gone through, you know, the angry part, like what good God would wipe out an entire country. And then I'm watching all these videos and whatnot. And I'm seeing, you know what? These people are still dancing in the streets. They have nothing. But they are showing the rest of the world that they can rise above this and they will build again. And if you miss that, if you don't take that in and digest that, that somebody's lost everything, if you miss the opportunity to appreciate that, that they can still rise above it, you're missing a lot.

49:13 Well, that's it. I mean, I still think about that Mr. Rogers quote where he says, look for the helpers, because there's tragedy and disaster. If you want to find it, it's everywhere. But you have to look for the human spirit and all that. And Jamaicans are full of spirit. And there is not much that can bring them down. And even a storm of that magnitude, you know, they need, they're going to need help and support. But I can absolutely, I can absolutely see like that singing and dancing and working their way through the hardest things with love and joy, because that's who they are. Well, 2025, of course, is about, it's not about I. It's about we, right? Right. It's the humanitarian appeal.

50:00 It's the compassion. It's how can I take care of my neighbor? And if the country of Jamaica is anyway, I don't want to talk too much about that, but the country of Jamaica, you know, has lost everything. The infrastructure's gone. I mean, it's, you know, an entire country, but I can't help but think that this is obviously, it's part of a bigger plan that we don't understand. And there's a divine reason to this, but it makes me wonder, are these people and this country, are they there to, I don't know, sacrificial lamb is the right word, but are they there? You know, like they had to give up so much so that we could appreciate what we have. And that we can maybe not worry about the electronics that we're buying each other for Christmas this year. Maybe we can make a donation or something. I don't know.

50:45 But it's just, you know, you have to look at tragedy like that, there's a darkness and there's a lightness. And it's there, if you care, look for it, it is there. Well, you have dual citizenship between Canada and Jamaica. So this is your home, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, the other interesting thing about that too is that, and you and I've talked about this, Laura, Jamaica has never been a comfortable place for me. And I talk about it a little bit in my book, but it's never really been a place that I was comfortable. And it's not because I felt unsafe. It's nothing like that. It's just an energy, which I think is an ancestral influence, for sure. But it's also, you know, the idea of slavery and whatnot was alive and well in Jamaica for years. And you still see it to a certain degree. And there's a class and all that.

51:32 And I get uncomfortable with that. So I've never really connected with it until this past weekend. And I'm so proud of these people. And it's like, ah, that's what my mother was talking about. Now I get it. She saw something I didn't. And I'm healing because of it. Oh, that's, see, there's lessons. There's so many lessons in this. And we can't stop bad things from happening, but we can all rally together and help. And that's really, I think, why they do happen to remind us that, you know, we have amazing, we have amazing things. We have amazing things to be grateful for. And we can do hard things. We can do hard things. We can do hard things. Yeah. Yeah.

52:17 And I know, like we just, we were only there a short time, but we went to Barbados earlier this year. And it's similar, like there's a class system. It's still very obvious, even though like we're, you know, we're all evolved beings and we know better, but there's the white Barbadians and there's, you know, the black Barbadians. And there's a lot of Jamaicans in Barbados, for some reason. But, but yeah, like it's definitely very clear that there's still that idea. And it isn't comfortable. It's, it's not, it's not comfortable when you're aware of, of your, some of your ancestors' behavior, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

53:03 Yeah. Exactly. I'm grateful mine came after that. But anyway, right? We did make a positive difference. I'm just put that out there. Yeah, no. Anyway, it's, it's interesting. You just, you know. It's just a feeling really, you know, but. It is. But yeah, I wanted to kind of talk to you about an event you have coming up. I mean, I know all about it because I'm in it, but, you know, I want you. You're the rockstar. Tell us, tell us about Six Psychics coming up. So Six Psychics is an event that we've been doing for I think this is our, I can't count. I think it's six or seventh year that we've done it where we bring Six Psychics together all under one roof at one time. And this year we have Laura. Of course, you're going to be one of our guest speakers and Maureen Webb will be there and Sherry Dunovan is going to be there.

53:52 Coralie Fox is going to be there. Like we've got all kinds of people are going to be there. Really looking forward to it because we're going to be talking about what the heck's coming up in 2026. And so each one of us will be giving our own little theory as to what's going to happen and give us maybe some tools to work with and such. It's on Zoom. It's going to be December the 7th at noon Eastern. Usually goes for about two hours. There's some really nice bonuses that come afterwards. All of the speakers, you know, give some kind of an e-book or it might be a discount or whatever. But there's all kinds of really good stuff. Yeah. And it's $47. So it's a steal. Nice. Yeah, it really is. And I would say that 83, maybe 84 percent of the people who attend are people who have attended in the past.

54:38 They come year after year. It's a great event. It's helpful, right? Because you get to hear all the different perspective. What's coming in the next year? And then we get to just talk. Like it's pretty amazing event. And the fact that people can ask a few questions too. It's very interactive. And yeah. I love that. Yeah. So they're all young. It's going to be with us as well. And she's the one that talks to the angels. I love it. I'm in a so sweet. So if they wanted tickets, would they be going to your website? Yes. You go to the website. It's an app. We're all at just.com. Perfect. And yeah. So you pick up your tickets there. And it's we do look at the number that can come in.

55:26 Yeah. Because it's we want to be a group that's manageable. But and keep it reasonably intimate. You know. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. And so the other thing I wanted to say, which I didn't get to talk much about. Anne has a beautiful spiritual community called the Clarity Seekers. And there's lots of live events. You have you have actual like live teachers. You can join live events and talk to them. And then all the events and art kind of turned into classes. So then there's tons of classes that if you want to learn anything. And if you're having like a spiritual awakening and you don't know what to do with yourself, you know, like in your community, this is a place to go. You're the most of us. You can, you know, it's everybody, right? But you can learn so much there. And then you have community. You can have people that you can connect with that are in the same place as you and get the help that you want or just learn things or empowerment.

56:17 And it's an amazing community and resource that Anne has diligently worked on and created for everyone. So I had to mention it because I know just by doing some of my own stuff, I know how much work this stuff is. And Anne dedicates a ton of her time to make sure that people have access to all these classes and lessons and, you know, live teachers and help. And she also does amazing readings. So anybody that's looking for a numerology, a soul signature numerology reading, you should go to Anne's website and book. She, she's helped me and Kim so much. I still look back at my original report and go, oh, wow. Yeah, this happened. That happened.

57:02 You know what I mean? So, yeah, like it's been, it's been very helpful over the years. Do you know that that was, that was 2015. I looked back. I know. Nuts, right? Right. Yeah. Maybe it's time for a tune up, Kim. There you go. We can make that happen. I like tune ups. Right. Tune ups are good. Time for another reading. There you go. Yeah, but you have an amazing YouTube channel as well. So there's so, you've created so many things over the years. And honestly, you've been like my business mentor because you're, you're ahead of me in a lot of ways, but I'm like going, oh, wait, I can do that. Sure. I'll try to do that there, catch up there. You know? Oh, well, you know what?

57:47 I love giving people an opportunity. Like, I'm so blessed to have the following that I do. I really am. I mean, I think there's like 33,000, 34,000 people who subscribed to YouTube. I'm like 34,000 people actually hit a button to say they want to hear from me again. Like, what? Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Yeah. But it's amazing because, oh, I love it because it, you know, it means I'm reaching a wider audience. What I love, especially in my clarity seekers like Laura, you came on and started teaching with us a couple of years ago. And like, you know, I hope it's been helpful for you. Oh, yeah. Because you were able to try out some new material and, you know, work with a different kind of an audience and, you know, I love that. I mean, you're further ahead than many of the teachers that we have coming on board. But I love giving a platform.

58:33 So if there's anybody out there who's got something they want to teach and they'd like the opportunity to connect, I'd love to hear from you. Oh, I really enjoyed my time teaching on clarity seekers like the enthusiasm of the people in that community. You don't get that anywhere else. Yeah. But I've learned, I've learned a lot about myself too doing it. Like I, I was teaching things that sometimes I just, I mean, this is the work we're in. We get these like intuitive kind of downloads, you know, what we can do and what we can teach. And so it started to happen that I was getting these like flashes of what I was going to teach. And then it just all poured out of me, but it just took the opportunity. It just took that, you know, opportunity to do it. And I had a great time. I'm so glad.

59:18 Yeah. Anybody that's on clarity seekers, they can go in and look at all the classes that are up there. And it was, yeah, awesome. Well, we loved having you. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So what I want to say to everyone, and I think, I think just having the conversation about our like own numerology too, like I think that was pretty bang on. Absolutely. It was bang on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Even where she picked up on you because you might not remember exactly, but last year at this time, you were sick for a month and you did almost burn out. Yeah. And it was, so it was bang on for you too. I was sick a lot last year. It was really bad. Well, but we were trying, even when mom was dying, like we were back and forth and back and forth.

1:00:04 And you know what? It's like you're trying to still hold up your end of the work in your life with your family and with your work that you make money and with your partner and trying to support each other. And I know mom passed and then we were in Cape Breton and mom's funeral wasn't for two weeks later and we just kept going. So you know, it's like you're on autopilot and you kept doing everything, but you really didn't have time to like Laura was tired doing her events and we did three of them back to back. Plus we were going back and forth with mom. Like we don't give ourselves enough credit when we accomplish these things. Or even if we just got through the lesson, you know, we just, we just made it through when we're surviving like that. Sometimes that's just as big and to just give yourself a moment to take a breath and say, Hey, that was really hard, but we did it.

1:00:54 Yeah. And that's more than I say all the time because I feel like we're constantly learning and evolving, but we didn't choose a quiet life and we didn't choose like a simple life, which I'm grateful for because I'd be bored out of my mind. Right. She would be bored. I need a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kim's dangerous when she's bored. And last year, it's true. I had so many moments. I was living off cold medication and just praying and asking spirit to help me get through certain things. It was in your voice. It was really bad. Well, I need my voice, right? Like that's how I, I find I don't have a voice. I can't work. So, you know, that's kind of need that. Yeah. Yeah. All those things, but now like things did level out quite a bit this year and lots of good things have happened.

1:01:43 We're busy as ever, but it's just more balanced, I guess. Like things are starting to feel like they're leveling out. So bang on, bang on reading. And that's the thing about you, Ann. I've always said this is that you get a numerology reading, but you get an intuitive, it's like soul reading too. Because you get all the, you have a lot of knowledge and I know you're humble, but I know that you're a Reiki master teacher. I know that you have studied like soul coaching. So you have all this background too that feeds into numerology. Like you're not just, you're like numerologists extraordinaire. I appreciate that. You know, a lot of people come to me and say, well, that's not what I was expecting, but it's exactly what I needed.

1:02:30 I never know what you're going to get. So it's, it's, it's anyone's guess, but I appreciate you saying that. Well, yeah, you're, you're open to being that bridge, you know, to offer somebody the wisdom of the universe that they need in that moment. And so that's, that just doesn't, that doesn't come from just, you know, looking at somebody's numerology that comes from you. So I've said this, you know, you know, I've said this from the moment I met you that you're an intuitive, you're just using numerology. Well, it is, yeah. It is a bridge is a good description, I guess. Maybe it was my crutch. No, no, it's like any, any, any modality in that modality that works for you. But I'm, I'm so excited to have your book and to be able to use it again.

1:03:19 And again, I feel like it's the kind of book that you'll keep picking up. It's not just like a one-time read. So it's, you'll want to go back and you want to reference things. And so it's a coffee table book. It is, it is, it is. And so that's, so your book, can you tell us where it's available? Right now it's available on Amazon. Okay. So it's Soul Signature Numerology. And I imagine shortly it will be available on Barnes & Noble amongst a few other places as well. But right now, where it's, you know, new, you'll be able to get it definitely on Amazon. Perfect. Very good. And I'd love a review if anybody reads it and they like it. Well, they don't like it. I don't care. Whatever. Your review. I really appreciate it.

1:04:04 It's so key. It's so key to have those reviews on Amazon. So yes, give her a review. It's definitely worth the read. Love it. Well, thank you so much, Ann, for being on today. Oh, thank you. And this is- We love you, girl. Oh, we so love you. We love you right back. This is like a great, a great way to look at numerology. I just think this is, this is the way. This is the way to go if you're interested in numerology. Ann's book Soul Signature Numerology, but also the way that she does her readings and conducts her business. It's, it's just suited. It's suited for your, your soul, your vibrations. So if you need anything, give her a call. You know what I love is I remember the first time I met you at a wellness retreat or wellness expo, I guess it was.

1:04:50 And we all decided at that day that we were done doing them and we were moving on to bigger and better things. So congratulations, girl. Because man, oh man, isn't that amazing? Look at us all like, look where we've all come because we've pushed ourselves. And we've used each other tools exactly to get there. So it's, it's so heartfelt gratitude for you and having you in our life and your success is our success. So I love it. Yeah. Likewise. Right back at you. Awesome. Beautiful. Okay. Ann, thank you so much. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Okay. Take care. If you're interested in contacting Kim for Soul Awakening Coaching, please contact her at mksoulcoaching.com.

1:05:38 If you'd like to check out my website and everything that I do, please go to laurawarrenmedium.com.